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04-17-2006, 07:25 AM
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Gulls jumping to AHL?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...6gullside.html

Probably not for this season, but for the following season as Colorado's affiliate.

There is also mention in the article about Las Vegas being a potential AHL market.

Discuss among yourselves.

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04-17-2006, 07:47 AM
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Isn't there a developer buying out San Diego's arena, demolishing it, with no plans of a new one?

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04-17-2006, 08:52 AM
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Isn't there a developer buying out San Diego's arena, demolishing it, with no plans of a new one?
Not that I am aware of. If anyone would know, it would be Hans.

Further, I wouldn't think that the Gulls owners would be talking about a potential move to the AHL if he didn't have an arena to play in.

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So does this mean there will be 30 teams?

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So does this mean there will be 30 teams?
Too soon to tell. Certainly not for next season since we already know that Buffalo and Florida will have a dual affiliation in Rochester next season. The speculation is that Colorado will split with Carolina again in Albany. We also know don't know what Edmonton will do since it sounds like Quad Cities won't be making the jump next season.

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Let's see. The nearest team is over 1,200 miles away, most of their "division" opponents would be from 1,500 to 2,000 miles away.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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04-17-2006, 12:18 PM
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Let's see. The nearest team is over 1,200 miles away, most of their "division" opponents would be from 1,500 to 2,000 miles away.

Yeah, that makes sense.
Since when does the AHL make sense with the exception of the New England cartel?

Manitoba's closest opponent is around 700 miles away. Other than the other TX team, Houston/San Antonio's closest opponents are 800 miles away.

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04-17-2006, 01:16 PM
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Since when does the AHL make sense with the exception of the New England cartel?

Manitoba's closest opponent is around 700 miles away. Other than the other TX team, Houston/San Antonio's closest opponents are 800 miles away.

Yeah, but San Diego's an outpost. The costs of transporting other teams alone would be prohibitive.

IMO, this is one man's pipe dream.

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04-17-2006, 02:07 PM
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Yeah, but San Diego's an outpost. The costs of transporting other teams alone would be prohibitive.

IMO, this is one man's pipe dream.
St. John made it work for a while.

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04-17-2006, 03:01 PM
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It's never going to happen...

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04-17-2006, 10:42 PM
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Isn't there a developer buying out San Diego's arena, demolishing it, with no plans of a new one?
It's too early to say that "is" happening. It's being looked at... however, it's been "being looked at" for more than three years now, and there's at least another four years before anything can even think about being done -- so that's a red herring when it comes to San Diego's near-term hockey future. Long term, we're done for a while sometime in the early teens -- but up till then, the maneuvering will continue.

As for the AHL talk -- this blindsided me, which surprised me.

The locals who act like they have inside contacts with owner claim that the Avalanche are in talks to buy out the ECHL franchise, then bring an AHL team in (no word on where that would come from), with the Avs being ownership, and the ECHL owners (who own the lease on the arena) being front-office for the AHL team.

I don't see it happening without at least three, probably four other teams making the jump at the same time. I put that at "really unlikely" -- not "impossible" like 210 says, but "really unlikely". Of course, 210 is so out of touch with the West Coast that he thinks Alaska is having off-ice problems.

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Of course, 210 is so out of touch with the West Coast that he thinks Alaska is having off-ice problems.
I have predicted the "death" of the Alaska ECHL franchise in a couple seasons, and I haven't seen anything to make me change that prediction.

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I have predicted the "death" of the Alaska ECHL franchise in a couple seasons, and I haven't seen anything to make me change that prediction.
Why do you believe that the Aces are doomed?

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I made that prediction some time ago based solely on their estimated costs of doing business based on them selling out every game (which while their attendance has gone up they don't sell out every game). As we all know the cost of traveling is rising at an alarming rate and has been for awhile. Even though Alaska has a "baseball like" schedule where they generally play opponents multiple times per visit at some point it's a losing proposition.

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04-18-2006, 12:02 PM
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And there are still no indications that your surface analysis is anywhere close to right -- I didn't forget that prediction when you made it, and there's still just as little to support it now as there was then.

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And there are still no indications that your surface analysis is anywhere close to right -- I didn't forget that prediction when you made it, and there's still just as little to support it now as there was then.
You told me you wouldn't forget it, and I had no doubt you wouldn't.

Time will tell.

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St. John made it work for a while.
Which ST. John franchise except the Leafs owned the team no matter where it was placed or located Majik

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Which ST. John franchise except the Leafs owned the team no matter where it was placed or located Majik

The Maple Leafs. The parent Leafs subsidized the travel costs for teams heading to the Rock, which they could afford. It was a ***** when they decided to move off the Rock AFTER the new arena was built.

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The Maple Leafs. The parent Leafs subsidized the travel costs for teams heading to the Rock, which they could afford. It was a ***** when they decided to move off the Rock AFTER the new arena was built.
Besides, Hasn't our league learned anything AFTER the fiasco in Utah

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Besides, Hasn't our league learned anything AFTER the fiasco in Utah
Yes. They've learned that owners will do what they want to do, and put teams where they think they will work, and move them when they think it's to their advantage. Chris, teams will continue to move, fail, and succeed every year -- there will never be a static AHL, and there will always be unfortunate fans losing their AHL team. Learn to deal with it.

They've also learned that owners need a cluster of teams to make outposts work (other than Alaska or Manitoba), which is why I have made my points about San Diego needing other teams to go with them (and no, the ridiculous Victoria rumor doesn't count), if they were really going to go. I honestly don't think this one is GOING to happen -- I just also don't think it's an impossibility.

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They've also learned that owners need a cluster of teams to make outposts work (other than Alaska or Manitoba), which is why I have made my points about San Diego needing other teams to go with them (and no, the ridiculous Victoria rumor doesn't count), if they were really going to go. I honestly don't think this one is GOING to happen -- I just also don't think it's an impossibility.

Actually, if outposts are what are needed, let's add San Diego, Victoria, and Alaska. Throw in the Maui Maulers and Guam Bats, and the West Division is set.

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Maui Maulers and Guam Bats
ROAD TRIP!!!!!!

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The Maple Leafs. The parent Leafs subsidized the travel costs for teams heading to the Rock, which they could afford. It was a ***** when they decided to move off the Rock AFTER the new arena was built.
I'm assuming that the poster who is on my ignore list is referring to St. John's and not St. John if he is referring to the Maple Leafs and not the Flames.

I agree with you, Dango, it was a shame that the Leafs pulled out of St. John's after the new arena was built.

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Guam Bats
That is awesome

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That is awesome
Scary part is I thought of it as I was typing.

Wish I could do that with Lotto numbers.

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