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08-08-2006, 12:39 AM
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Greetings Jukka!

I am now researching the 1947 WC in Prague, the first world championship following World War II and the first WC played with more modern rules. Also interesting that Canada did not participate in this tournament because it wanted to impose its own definition of an amateur player and not the IIHF's interpretation.

Unfortunately, again, not many scoring details or information is being found here.
I have located the goal scorers for Czechoslovakia, but not of Sweden, Austria or the other teams for that matter. I only have partial goal scorers for the USA team (which consisted of a combined team from the A.H.A. and A.A.U.). These two American hockey bodies would also later both show up for the 1948 Olympic Winter games resulting in further controversy. The American A.H.A. team arrived in Europe in late December 1946 for a pre-WC tour and the A.A.U. squad did not arrive until a few days before the start of the WC.

I have found most of the USA's pre-WC tour games from Sweden, England and Czechoslovakia. But the actual coverage of the '47 tournament is rather sparse.

Regarding the USA games goal scoring, this is all I have so far:

16-02-1947
USA - SUI 4:3 (0:0, 3:2, 1:1)
USA: Grant, Galipeau, Verrier, Heavern
SUI: ?????????????

17-02-1947
SWE - USA 4:1 (1:0, 2:0, 1:1)
USA: Van
SWE: Ake Andersson (1), ???????????????

18-02-1947
USA - BEL 13:2 (5:1, 5:0, 3:1)
USA: McIntyre (3), Van (2), Galipeau (2), Grant (2), ?????????
BEL: ????????????????????

19-02-1947
AUT - USA 6:5 (2:1, 2:3, 2:1)
USA: ????????????????
AUT: ????????????????

20-02-1947
USA - ROM 15:3 (6:0, 3:1, 6:2)
USA: Dugan (3), Rousseau (3), ????????????????????
ROM: ??????????????????

21-02-1947
USA - POL 3:2 (1:0, 1:2, 1:0)
USA: Cahoon, Dugan, Boonton
POL: ?????????????????????????

23-02-1947
CZE - USA 6:1 (2:0, 1:1, 3:0)
USA: ????????????????????????
CZE: Slama, Kus, Stibor, Drobny, Konopasek (2)

Jukka, may I ask if you might possibly have any boxscores or goal-scoring information about the 1947 WC? Many thanks again for your help.

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08-08-2006, 05:11 AM
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Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Unfortunately I only have the boxscores of Sweden and Switzerland. Here they are:

Sweden-Switzerland 4-4:
Rolf Pettersson 3, Rolf-Eriksson-Hemlin 1.
Switzerland: Gebi Poltera 2, Reto Delnon 1, Hans-Martin Trepp 1.

Sweden-Belgium 24-1:
Lars Ljungman 13 (greatest ever by a single Swede in one game!), Birger Nilsson 5, Gunnar Landelius 2, Åke Andersson 1, Rolf Eriksson-Hemlin 1, Erik Johansson 1.

Sweden-USA 4-1:
Lars Ljungman 2, Åke Andersson 1, Rolf Eriksson-Hemlin 1.

Sweden-Poland 5-3:
Holger Nurmela 2, Rolf Pettersson 1, Sigurd Boström 1, Erik Johansson 1.

Sweden-Rumania 15-3:
Lars Ljungman 6, Rolf Eriksson-Hemlin 4, Holger Nurmela 3, Gunnar Landelius 1, Åke Andersson 1.

Sweden-Czechoslovakia 2-1:
Bror Pettersson 1, Rolf Eriksson-Hemlin 1.

Sweden-Austria 1-2:
Rolf Eriksson-Hemlin 1.
Austria: Wurmbrandt 1, Winger 1.

Here are the Swiss ones, with a bit more info:
Switzerland-USA 3-4:
Reto Delnon 1-0, Reto Delnon 2-2, Uli Poltera 3-3.
USA: Grant 1-1, Verrier 1-2, Heawern 2-3, Gallipeau 3-4.

Switserland-Rumania 13-3:
Gebi Poltera 1-0, Gebi Poltera 2-0, Verges 3-0, Gebi Poltera 4-0, Hans-Martin Trepp 5-0, Uli Poltera 6-0, Uli Poltera 7-0, Hans-Martin Trepp 8-2, Hans-Martin Trepp 9-2, Hans-Martin Trepp 10-2, Verges 11-2, Verges 11-2, Hinterkircher 12-2, Uli Poltera 13-2.
Rumania: Dlugos 7-1, Inctze 13-2, Inctze 13-3.

Switzerland-Belgium:
Uli Poltera 1-0, Othmar Delnon 2-1, Reto Delnon 3-1, O.Delnon 4-1. O.Delnon 5-1, O.Delnon 6-1, Reto Delnon 7-1, Uli Poltera 8-1, Reto Delnon 9-1 and 10-1, Verges 11-1, Reto Delnon 12-2.
Belgium: Van Eckhout 1-1 and 11-2.

Switzerland-Czechoslovakia 1-6:
Hans-Martin Trepp 1-2.
Czechoslovakia: Konopasek 0-1, Swiss own goal by Boller 0-2, V.Zabrodsky 1-3, Trojak 1-4, V.Zabrodsky 1-5, Pokorny 1-6.

Switzerland-Austria 5-0:
Reto Delnon 1-0, R.Delnon 2-0, Hans-Martin Trepp 3-0, Gebi Poltera 4-0, Uli Poltera 5-0.

Switzerland-Poland 9-3:
Gebi Poltera 1-0, Uli Poltera 2-0 and 3-1, Reto Delnon 4-1, Othmar Delnon 5-1, O.Delnon 6-2, Hugo Delnon 7-3, H.Delnon 8-3, Uli Poltera 9-3.
Poland: Swiss own goal 2-1, Jsazinsky 5-2, Wolkowsky 6-3.

Plus: I know, that Oskar Nowak was the best Austrian goalscorer with 14 goals.

All right, though this is not a lot, I hope to have helped you somehow!

All the best
Jukka

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08-08-2006, 09:57 AM
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Hello Jukka,

This helps tremendously! Thank you for the information. I was looking at the goal totals for Czechoslovakia and it is most impressive -- 85 goals scored in 7 games.
Led by Vladimir Zabrodsky with 29, Jaroslav Drobny (15), and Stanislav Konopasek (Zabrodsky's linemate with 14). These 3 players combined to score 58 goals, accounting for 68% of Czechoslovakia's goals.

Plus great goaltending from Bohumil Modry, with 2 shutouts, allowing only 10 goals in 7 games.

Thanks again for your help, Jukka. I am still searching through the archives looking for more details on the 1947 tourney. I will post if I find additional information.

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08-08-2006, 10:51 AM
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Hello Jukka,

Here's the individual goal scoring totals for the 1947 WC teams so far:

Czechoslovakia:

Vladimir Zabrodsky -- 29
Jaroslav Drobny -- 15
Stanislav Konopasek -- 14
Karel Stibor -- 5
Ladislav Trojak -- 5
Josef Kus -- 4
Miroslav Slama -- 3
Vilibald Stovik -- 3
Josef Trousilek -- 2
Miloslav Pokorny -- 2
Vladimir Bouzek -- 2
Vaclav Rozinak -- 1
Frantisek Pacalt -- 0

Sweden:

Lars Ljungman -- 20
Rolf Eriksson-Hemlin -- 9
Holger Nurmela -- 7
Birger Nilsson -- 5
Rolf Pettersson -- 3
Gunnar Landelius -- 3
Ake Andersson -- 3
Bror Pettersson -- 2
Erik Johansson -- 2
Sigurd Bostrom -- 1
Rune Johansson -- 0
Ake Olsson -- 0
Hans Hjelm -- 0

Switzerland:

Reto Delnon -- 11
Ulrich Poltera -- 10
Hans-Martin Trepp -- 7
Gebhart Poltera -- 7
Othmar Delnon -- 6
Pons Verges -- 3
Hugo Delnon -- 2
Heinz Hinterkircher -- 1
Heinrich Boller -- 0
Alfred Lack -- 0
Emil Handschin -- 0
Otto Schubiger -- 0

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08-08-2006, 03:49 PM
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Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Great, that I could help you! I find the Sweden-Austria 1-2 boxscores the most interesting, since by winning that game they made sure to have the bronze themselves and also because of them the Czechoslovakian team became a World Champion!

All the best
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08-10-2006, 04:05 PM
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Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Do you have a list of the AHA and the AAU player in the 1947 US team?

All the best
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Hello Jukka,

Here are the details.

The Amateur Hockey Association (AHA) of America team was composed of 13 players, which sailed aboard the Queen Elizabeth from New York on December 14, 1946 for an 11-week tour of Europe, beginning in Sweden during the Christmas holiday season. They then returned to England for a series there before continuing on to Scotland, Switzerland and Czechoslovakia.

The AHA team primarily consisted of New Englanders, several from the Boston Olympics team:

Gene McDonough, a resident of the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn.
Gus Galipeau of Woonsocket, Rhode Island.
Robert Bingham of Stoneham, Massachusetts.
Marty Desroches of Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Thomas Dugan of Newton, Mass.
Pearly Grant of Waltham, Mass.
Bob Heavern of Cambridge, Mass.
(GK) John Meoli of Medford, Mass.
Chris Ray of Belmont, Mass.
Hector Rousseau of Waltham, Mass.
Bob Verrier of Cambridge, Mass.
Norman Walker of East Dedham, Mass.
Gerry Kilmartin of Providence, Rhode Island

Accompanying the AHA team was Herb Ralby (a Boston Globe sportswriter), who served as the coach and manager of the group. Benedict Bertini was the trainer, and Ernest Viberg (prominent locally in Swedish-American sportd activities) also served as the teams' liaison.

The all-star squad of the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) sailed February 6, 1947 from New York on the liner America. John G. Hutchinson of Arlington, Mass. (a veteran player and coach) was in charge of the group. A total of 9 players were on the team.

AAU team:

Goalie: Robert McCabe of Minneapolis, Minnesota
Defenseman: Olie Kollevol of Clinton, New York
Defenseman: Allan Van of St. Paul, Minnesota
Defenseman: James Fletcher of St. Paul, Minnesota
Forward: W. Ross McIntyre of San Francisco, California
Forward: Lowell Boonton of Minneapolis, Minn.
Forward: Pat Finnegan of Eveleth, Minnesota
Forward: Ed J. Cahoon of Boston, Mass.
Forward: Ralph Warburton of Providence, Rhode Island

Both of the rival American managers agreed on February 14, 1947 to combine their AAU and AHA teams into a single entry to represent the United States at the world championship in Prague. But all of this controversy between battling hockey unions demoralized an already divided U.S. team and resulted in the first finish out of the medals for an American team at the world championships.

The 1947 tournament also marked the first time that Canada did not attend the IIHF world championships. Canada's decision not to send a team also highlighted a growing rift between the Canadian Amateur Hockey Association and the International Ice Hockey Federation over IIHF policy. This dispute was later resolved in the year when the IIHF agreed to alternate presidential terms between European and North American representatives.

Hope this helps, Jukka. Thanks again for your help.

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08-15-2006, 10:10 AM
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Hello you all!

Svetovy Poharu has helped me a lot with my website information requests and I have tried to help him the bes as I can, with my unfortunately imperfect statistics! I have also found new and interesting sites to read, so thanks for you both posting to this thread!

This has been about the WCs and the Olympic tournaments. Now, if anyone knows anything about the goalscoring of the Belgium European Champion team of 1913, I would gladly include those scores to my website!

All the best
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Hello you all!

I have to tell you, that now the address to my website is:

http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/ruskeeah

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Hello you all!

Anyone interested in IIHF tournament history can visit the following website: http:://kotisivu.dnainternet.net/ruskeeah/

Unfortunately the text is mainly for the Finnish tournament history enthusiasts at the moment, but I think, that my presentation in other languages will help with the statistic things you, other guys! If you visit a lot, I will make international presentations by 2008. For the jubilee of the IIHF!

Unfortunately this website is not available in Google or Yahoo at the moment.

Hope to have your comments, good and bad!

All the best
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World Championships in 1939

Hei !

I want to know the goal scorers and box scores of WC 1939. Can you help me?
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Hello Saukko!

That depends on, about how many teams you want to know. The best ones are the medal winning team scores plus team Finland.

I do not have full scores, but something about every team's goalscoring. Compiling it all may take some time, though.

All right, let me know, how much you want to know and I'll see, what I can do!

All the best
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World Championship in 1939

Hello Jukka!

I am interested in all the statistical information of WC 1939.

Let´s start with the four best teams and the finnish team.

Lineups of all the teams and goaltending stats and so on.

All the best
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Hello Saukko!

Here are the stats:
Canada:
Duke Scodellaro, Buck Buchanan (goalies)
Mickey Brennan(3), Joe Benoit(8), Ab Cronie(5), Bunny Dame(8), Jimmy Haight, Benny Hayes, Tom Johnston, Dick Kowcinak(4), Johnny McCreedy(4), Jimmy Morris(6), Mel Snowdon(3).
USA:
Ed Maki(goalie)
Ralph Dondi(2), Leonard Saari, Spencer Wagnild(1), Thomas Leaky, Ed Nickolson(2), Al Van(3), Pud Quirk(9), Dick Maley(2), Art Bogue(6).
Switzerland:
Hugo Müller, Albert Künzler(goalies)
Christian Badrutt(4), Ferdinand Cattini(12), Hans Cattini(7), Reto Delnon(2), Dürst, A.Geromini(2), Franz Geromini(1), Charles Kessler(2), Herbert Kessler(4), Heini Lohrer, Beat Rüedi(5), Richard Torriani(11), Trauffer(1).
Finland:
Lars Blom, Teuvo Castren (goalies)
Erik Hedman, Seppo Jaakkola(1), Henry Lindahl, Kalevi Sutinen, Holger Granström(3), Klaus Hagström, Kalevi Ihalainen, Pentti Lappalainen, Olof Nyholm, Erkki Rintala(1), Ronald Sarnasto, Edmund Sjöberg, Risto Tiitola.

All right, here they are. With the rest there are two options:
Because of my (shift)work I can write about the rest of the teams on the weekend.
Or then you can pm me your address, and I will mail you the copies. They are newspaper clips written in German, but pretty understandable.

They cannot be mailed through e-mail, unfortunately.

All the best
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I want to know how many World Championships/Olympic game that Japan has been in. I know they were in the 98 games. My friends are playing NHL 07 and one of my friends is Japan and the other is the Carolina hurricanes and Japan won 2-1.

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Hello Sportsmaniac!

Japan made its debut already in 1930 Chamonix-Berlin-Vienna tournament, second time was in Garmisch-Partenkirchen 1936 (Teiji Honma got some attention by wearing a mask!), the third one was Moscow 1957, then Squaw Valley 1960. After 1962 they have only missed eight tournaments.

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Hello you all!

The first half of the tournament presentations on my website will be ready probably by December!

Meanwhile, I have got more interested about the early US tournament teams. As far as I know, the following teams were club teams in the international tournaments:

1924 Boston AAA
1931 Boston HC
1933 Massachuchetts Rangers
1934 Massachuchetts Rangers
1951 Bates HC, Lewiston, Maine

To my knowledge the others would have been assembled teams. Any extra information about this is welcome. Also including the criteria for chosing a club team and maybe something about their exhibition game tours as well!

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Hello you all!

The first part of my IIHF tournament presentations is now in English! Though it is written mainly from a Finnish point of view, I hope you will enjoy it!


The link is: http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/ruskeeah

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Hello you all!

I didn't know, where write this post, sorry!

So, I will tell you all this news on this thread:

A Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year to you all!

All the best
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Hello you all!

The European championship part of my website includes now also the champion's game stats at http://kotisivu.dnainternet.fi/ruskeeah

All the best
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MVP info? (Most Valuable Player of WJC tournament).

How would I get MVP info? (year by year).
2006
2005
2004
2003
etc...



Thanks in advance for any info

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Hello Mr. Hab!

You can try these two options by Google search:

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Hockey archives

The first one is in English, the second one in French!

All the best
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Hello Mr. Hab!

You can try these two options by Google search:

A Z Hockey

Hockey archives

The first one is in English, the second one in French!

All the best
Jukka
Thanks for your info, Jukka

I'll check out those sites you suggested...

Thanks again

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I notice your websites and I was wondering why these lines are the only lines you have mentioned. Ni-line was great but those lines were hardly the ones which really deserve to be mentioned. You also haven´t mentioned any of the great denseman pairings. And why haven´t you mention any All-Stars or MVP players of each tournament?


Holmqvist-”Lulle”Johansson-Petersen
Bibi Torriani –Hans Cattini – Pic Cattini


Your website is informative but I would find it more intresting if it would contain more other information but stats and rosters. I also notice that you did mension some car accidents (where someone got hurt) but you did not mentioned that a lot of Czechs players died in a plane accident in 1948. including Ladislav Trojak, Vilibald Stovik, Miroslav Pokorny, karel Stibor and Zdenek Jarkovsky who all won gold a year earlier and silver earlier that year. And yet the Czechs still won gold in 1949 without those great palyers. Maybe they really wanted to win because of those who passed away. If this would have happen in US or Canada there would be plenty of movies about it.

And there should be a lot of little points that would make reading more intresting like mentioned that a Max Silling who played for Swiss team in 1920-1922 was also The president of IIHF in 1920-1922. Or that Drobny won Wimbbedon, Or that Bobrov was a great soccer palyer too.


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I didn´t find any feedback links in your website so I present my questions in here if it is okay.

"The best of the decade:
Forward: Bill Warwick (Canada 1955)."

Warwick scores 14 goals in one tournament and that makes him the best of the decade over Bobrov? How you figure that?



"The best of the decade:
Defenceman: Pekka Marjamaki (Finland 1970-79)"

What is this?? Seriously? Marjamaki was a fine defenceman but I think the best defenceman of the decade was vasiljev. And I think most people should agree.


"One sovjet led a way to a future Finnish super-star; Shuvalov was causing a lot of minor penalties to his opponents by grinning a lot, especially for the Canadians."

This one is funny but I wonder how many modern and international hockey fans actually knows who you are talking about.


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