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04-25-2006, 03:24 AM
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Preds at Sharks, game 3

Changes need to be made, Sharks changed up their gameplan and we need to do the same. That and we need to stop taking penalties.

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Western Conference - Game 3


Series Tied 1-1


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Nashville Predators


49-25-8, 106 points (32-8-1 home)




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5-2 Preds

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After watching Buffalo play great the past two games, I wish the Preds would incorporate a lot of their system. We are every bit as fast as they are with just as much talent, yet they appear so much more aggressive and potent.

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This may not be a popular opinion, but there is one change I would make for at least one game.

I'd replace Sully with Perrault or Upshall. In my opinion, a half healthy Sullivan has been a non factor in the first two games.

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A few quotes I don't like from our players:

"They wanted to come here and steal one in our barn, and they did," Sullivan said. "Now we have to get one in theirs.''

"This is an important game. We'd like to win both games, but we want to get at least one." - Mark Eaton

I said it before... this is a loser's mentality.... expecting to lose atleast one game.

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I've been disappointed in Witt. He's provided some muscle, but has also taken 4 minor penalties. He needs to reverse this trend.
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RE: Upshall/Sullivan

I'd like to see Upshall in over Smithson. Upshall then covers part of Sullivan's icetime, with Sully getting 10 minutes or so.


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I'd rather have Nichol scratched than Smithson. We need his size and checking ability.

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Go Preds!!!

We have to come out strong and hit em, score early.. make that crowd shut up


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I'd rather have Nichol scratched than Smithson. We need his size and checking ability.
yeah, what he said...

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We need somone to provide scoring...Sully hasn't really had a single scoring chance....If he can't do it, we have to put somone in that can.

Just thought I would drop this in before the game and get your thoughts -

Did anyone else find what Wilson said in the post game press conference after game 2 pretty amusing? He kept harping on the fact that the Preds were focusing on Joe Thornton, which left room for the other good guys like Marleau to score.

Why is that amusing you ask?

Because they scored 2 goals on a 5 on 3 sequence. There is no way we "only focused on Joe Thornton" when they had a 2 man advantage......heck they had a man advantage on all 3 goals. In other words, he was just spewing things to either get in or players heads to free up Joe Thornton more, or he is an idiot. I think it is the former.

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We need somone to provide scoring...Sully hasn't really had a single scoring chance....If he can't do it, we have to put somone in that can.

Just thought I would drop this in before the game and get your thoughts -

Did anyone else find what Wilson said in the post game press conference after game 2 pretty amusing? He kept harping on the fact that the Preds were focusing on Joe Thornton, which left room for the other good guys like Marleau to score.

Why is that amusing you ask?

Because they scored 2 goals on a 5 on 3 sequence. There is no way we "only focused on Joe Thornton" when they had a 2 man advantage......heck they had a man advantage on all 3 goals. In other words, he was just spewing things to either get in or players heads to free up Joe Thornton more, or he is an idiot. I think it is the former.
yeah they scored 3 goals in an 11:54 stretch, 2 of which were on 5 on 3's, one of which came 5 on 4 after the second 5 on 3. There wasn't a whole lot of strategy involved besides desperately chasing a puck around to no avail. In the other 55 minutes outside those 4 penalties, whatever the Preds focused on resulted in Thornton, Cheechoo, and Marleau not scoring, so...

I think he's just trying to bring all the media attention on himself to take pressure off of his players. The ol' Wayne Gretzky in SLC ploy.

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We feed off of intensity, thats what we need. Finish our checks, and do not take stupid penalties and we'll be fine.

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This may not be a popular opinion, but there is one change I would make for at least one game.

I'd replace Sully with Perrault or Upshall. In my opinion, a half healthy Sullivan has been a non factor in the first two games.
I agree totally. Sully is obviously not back to near 100%. He looks slower than Perrault on a good day. Upshall for Sully would be the better choice as he performed well at season's end. We also should sit Nichol down for Perrault, we need the offense and faceoffs. Move Johnson to 4th line and rotate Sillinger/Perrault @ 2nd and 3rd line depending on the game condition.

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We feed off of intensity, thats what we need. Finish our checks, and do not take stupid penalties and we'll be fine.

I agree...and that's why I think one player in particular has a key to success in this series:

Scott Hartnell.

He's had a career year, he's been frustrated at points....this is his time. If he comes out crashing and banging, using his size to bully his way through the zone and get the forecheck going...he can go a long way toward winning this game for us.

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Hartnell needs more PP time.

A PP line with Sillinger, Erat, Kariya just isn't working.

Give Hartnell a shot in place of Erat.

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We feed off of intensity, thats what we need. Finish our checks, and do not take stupid penalties and we'll be fine.
Unfortunately, these are two problems that have plagued the Predators since the beginning of the season. We've seen inconsistent physical play and dumb penalties. It's what cost us in game 2, and I don't have a lot of confidence that it'll be fixed. It's something that should have been addressed in December but was allowed to fester until it became our playoff nemesis.

It's going to take a monster effort to overcome them, but we can do it because we've done it all season long.

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Unfortunately, these are two problems that have plagued the Predators since the beginning of the season. We've seen inconsistent physical play and dumb penalties. It's what cost us in game 2, and I don't have a lot of confidence that it'll be fixed. It's something that should have been addressed in December but was allowed to fester until it became our playoff nemesis.

It's going to take a monster effort to overcome them, but we can do it because we've done it all season long.
my worry is that no matter how much we make an effort to avoid taking penalties they are gonna get called anyway with Bettman in the house especially....they will just get more and more ticky tacky for both sides until there are 8-12 penalties called at a minimum and more likely 15-20 over the course of the game.....if one side gets called more at the beginning we will see it even out by games end.

I'll just put Witt down for 2, Hartnell down for 2, Markov down for 1, Sully down for 1, and Legwand down for 1 right now as a starter.......

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talking about sitting sullivan is...ridiculous. he's been our best player all year, and is likely still getting his legs. i'm not worried about him, especially given how much time we're sitting in the box. I'd like to see Upshall in, but at the expense of someone a little less critical. We need Sullivan to come back to life to win this series. Upshall at his best can't provide that.

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OK, I was livid listening to the garbage that was spewed on the post-game show after Game 2 of the 7 game series. "Take Legwand out, he's been useless", "Take Johnson out and put an offensive player in there", etc. Pure garbage, just plain and simple garbage.

What I would like to see tonight are a couple lineup changes, but taking out either Legwand (I'll admit, I'm still new to the market, but I don't get the extreme dislike so many Predator fans have with him...maybe he didn't turn out to be the player he was projected to be, but he is a very valuable player to this team) or Johnson (our captain and defensive centerman who's been winning a lot of draws in Perreault's absence) would be pure lunacy. I would like to see Upshall and Perreault added back into the lineup for tonight's game. Sullivan and Walker are both shells of themselves right now and an effort must be made to offset those losses.

I propose a forward lineup of:
Kariya - Legwand - Erat
Sullivan - Perreault - Sillinger
Hartnell - Johnson - Hall
Upshall - Smithson - Walker

Obviously this means we sit Tootoo and lose the potential energy he can create (I know that's not going to be popular - Tootoo has more supporters than Legwand has critics ), but I'm willing to take that on the road. I mean, who is Tootoo going to energize by going out there and simply looking to make hits? He gets about 7:00 of ice time if he is lucky right now and I think the Sharks will be told that Tootoo is "off-limits" tonight as far as taking stupid penalties against. As a matter of fact, I'll go so far as to say that if he plays tonight, Tootoo will pickup more penalties than he draws based strictly on the theory that Wilson tells his guys to remain disciplined (Tootoo is getting the best of them if he gets them to take stupid penalties) and that San Jose probably complained to the NHL about Tootoo after Game 2 and Tootoo will have an extra set of eyes on him like Ville Nieminen does.

Especially with San Jose getting last change for the next two games, I would have no problem sending out any of those lines against Thornton's or Marleau's line. I think those are very balanced lines that can all contribute and give us far more options both offensively and defensively that we didn't have with our initial playoff lineup.

I just have a feeling that Upshall and especially Perreault have something extra to give for this series after sitting out the first two games. I think Nichol is very replaceable and that Tootoo simply doesn't have a place in the lineup tonight (he did a good job in the first two games in the role he was asked to fill, but tonight, we need a different set of skills in the lineup).

Bottom line in tonight's game though is...we need to stay out of the penalty box as much as possible, we need to change things up on our powerplay to adjust to San Jose's more aggressive PK, and we must come out fired up and ready to outwork San Jose in the Shark Tank.

Fire away! GO PREDS!!!

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my worry is that no matter how much we make an effort to avoid taking penalties they are gonna get called anyway with Bettman in the house especially....they will just get more and more ticky tacky for both sides until there are 8-12 penalties called at a minimum and more likely 15-20 over the course of the game.....if one side gets called more at the beginning we will see it even out by games end.

I'll just put Witt down for 2, Hartnell down for 2, Markov down for 1, Sully down for 1, and Legwand down for 1 right now as a starter.......
I've yet to see us make an effort to avoid penalties for a full 60 minutes. Ticky-tack or not, most of the calls were penalties as they are written in the NHL rulebook. I am concerned that we don't have any concept of what seems to draw a penalty. If you get a stick into the midsection of an NHL forward, they are going to go down. I've seen numerous dives by every team in every NHL playoff game to this point. If we don't get our sticks up, don't get lazy fishing for pucks between player's skate, and don't put our arms around opponents, we will be in great shape. You cannot avoid every penalty, and there are some penalties worth taking. But the unnecessary penalty is what has killed us in many of our losses. Sunday was no different.

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I want to see a fourth line of Scottie Upshall / Jerred Smithson / Jordin Tootoo given extra ice-time. That's all.

Anyhoo...

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I'd like to see Perreault crack the lineup for the mere fact that he has the most playoff experience on the roster, if I'm not mistaken. Also, his faceoff skills are impeccable...not that we're hurting in that department.

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I'd like to see Perreault crack the lineup for the mere fact that he has the most playoff experience on the roster, if I'm not mistaken. Also, his faceoff skills are impeccable...not that we're hurting in that department.
Remember...the Sharks get the last change, now...

Do you want Panic-Yanic out against the Thornton\Cheechoo\Ekman line?

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I agree with NMK that sitting out Sullivan is crazy, but at the same time, I do think a player should be on the ice that can replace his minutes if he continues to struggle. I really think that we are running a three line team right now, so it makes sense to me to scratch Tootoo or possibly even Nichol if we wanted to add in an Upshall or Perrault...Yes it does not give us an energy line, but lets face it, the "energy" line is getting 5 - 7 minutes max of garbage time. If we are only going to give them meaningless minutes, lets get some guys that can produce on the PP or take the place of a struggling forward like Walker or Sullivan...at the least they can spell those two guys, especially Sully who just doesn't have it right now. That being said, I loved the way our fourth line has played. I'm not going to be upset if we run that line out there again, but I think we have to give them more ice time for them to boost this team. Giving them token time with 10 minutes left in the third is not going to spark the team when they are down 3-0...It has to be a consistent thing.

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Remember...the Sharks get the last change, now...

Do you want Panic-Yanic out against the Thornton\Cheechoo\Ekman line?
sure... Thornton\Cheechoo\Ekman won't ever win the faceoff, yanic kicks it to erat, erat builds a wall and skates with his head down for 45 seconds, line change!

If we insert Yanic and Sully doesn't have his crap together yet and Yanic didn't have it together in the last weeks of the regular season and Walker doesn't have it together offensively and Tootoo, Smithson, and Nichol are still a line, we'll be in trouble on the road vs a team like San Jose.

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I propose a forward lineup of:
Kariya - Legwand - Erat
Sullivan - Perreault - Sillinger
Hartnell - Johnson - Hall
Upshall - Smithson - Walker
I like this idea, except that second line would be slow if Sully's not up to speed.

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