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11-02-2003, 10:59 AM
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The media...

I'm bored to see the media in Montreal disparaging our players. Guys like Michel Bergeron saying that Koivu is not a first line player and that he shouldn't be paid 4 millions, that he shouldn't be captain makes me sick. After, the fans think that they are right, so they say like them.

Today's poll on RDS.ca : Is Saku Koivu a good captain? 60% of the answers are NO!!! WTF!!! Koivu is na ON-ICE leader. Don't wait for him to stand up in the room and make a speech. He's not that kind of leader. And the players like to have him with the C because of his courage. Even if he doesn't make a speech in the room, he's a good guy to talk with. I'm pretty sure HabsFan1984 can prove us that Chris really like him as the Captain, even if they didn't play together this season. This all started in the TV show 110% where everyone agrees that since he's european and that he doesn't speak french, he doesn't deserve to be captain.

When Brisebois went to Paris last year, everyone know that he wasn't a fan favourite. Why did the Media made this public? It's Brisebois's life and he already has problems with the fans; don't hit him while he's down!!! The booing were even louder in the Bell Center and he needed an intervention from Bob Gainey to be able to play without being booed. Another time, the media created this war.

Each time the Habs win 2 straight games, everyone in MTL says that we're gonna be in the playoffs easily, while when we lose 2 straight games, every one talk about how we will welcome Ovechkin. Well, it's not only because of the media but they so often dramatize about these little things that it's reflected on the fans mood.

TV and Radio analysts doesn't help the team, they make pressure on the players and make the fans angry. This is BAD for a team. Let the guys play and stop searching for THE thing that will make you sell.


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After, the fans think that they are right, so they say like them.
Well Duff, it's a vicious circle, we have crappy manipulator medias because we have crappy easily influenced minds because we have crappy manipulator medias.

Hockey is the most insignificant result of this. In Quebec the media convergence is so bad that it brushes illegality. In fact, the best thing that could happen to the CH's popularity would be to be purchased by Quebecor.

-> that's an intelligent version of me

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Well Duff, it's a vicious circle, we have crappy manipulator medias because we have crappy easily influenced minds because we have crappy manipulator medias.

Hockey is the most insignificant result of this. In Quebec the media convergence is so bad that it brushes illegality. In fact, the best thing that could happen to the CH's popularity would be to be purchased by Quebecor.

-> that's an intelligent version of me
who ever makes the polls in rds is a retarded... I've always tought so.. but now then you talk about it its time to tell it.

most of media are retarded and dont know squat about hockey... most of the people here could do better than them...

some are good but,,, overalll they suck. they jump in any bandwagon.. good or bad..

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Je suis d'accord , les médias quebecois sont vraiment pas fort . RDS fait toujours des sondages épais et aujourd'hui c'est la ''cerise sur le sundé'' , des fois il me font vraiment halluciné surtout avec Georges 'j'ai pas MTL et j'en suis fier' Laraque .

La plupart des gars a 110% c'est des jambon de 2ime main a part p-e Faucher pis un autre dont je me rapelle pas le nom .

A moin je me console , on parle du canadien a tout les jours dans les journeaux ... c'est pas comme a New York ou les autres sport prenne toute la place .

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I am going to write my following post in French since I'm not sure I would be speaking my mind properly in English.

PornoHolocaust parlait d'une convergeance dans les médias Québecois, il n'y a rien de plus vrai. Si on mets de côté Le Devoir, aucun des journaux ne se distingue réellement par son contenu supérieur. Certes, La Presse est meilleur que l'horrible Journal de Montréal mais les différences dans les analyses sportives sont très peu présentes. C'est comme si les analystes faisaient un consensus la veille puis écrivent tous le même truc bidon et vide de substance.

Les médias sont d'abord et avant tout, sauf Le Devoir, des propriétés de compagnies visant rien d'autre que le profit, or, il se trouve qu'un contenu complètement vide et abrutissant est ce qui se vend le mieux. Surtout que le fans de sport moyen, ne le se cachons pas, est souvent pas tellement brillant.

Pour définir le contenu des rumeures et des centaines de chroniques mauvaises et de talk-show atroce parlant sur le Canadiens, je citerai Boris Vian: N'importe quoi, sauf la vérité. Il n'y a que ça qui ne se vend pas.

Dans les faits, le mot convergeance était assez faible pour décrire l'homogénité de nos médias. Une homogénité qui s'affiche tellement au grand jour et de façon évidente que c'en est obscène. Nos médias sont un véritable cartel ! Ce n'est même plus de la convergeance, c'est de la collusion!

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I am going to write my following post in French since I'm not sure I would be speaking my mind properly in English.

PornoHolocaust parlait d'une convergeance dans les médias Québecois, il n'y a rien de plus vrai. Si on mets de côté Le Devoir, aucun des journaux ne se distingue réellement par son contenu supérieur. Certes, La Presse est meilleur que l'horrible Journal de Montréal mais les différences dans les analyses sportives sont très peu présentes. C'est comme si les analystes faisaient un consensus la veille puis écrivent tous le même truc bidon et vide de substance.

Les médias sont d'abord et avant tout, sauf Le Devoir, des propriétés de compagnies visant rien d'autre que le profit, or, il se trouve qu'un contenu complètement vide et abrutissant est ce qui se vend le mieux. Surtout que le fans de sport moyen, ne le se cachons pas, est souvent pas tellement brillant.

Pour définir le contenu des rumeures et des centaines de chroniques mauvaises et de talk-show atroce parlant sur le Canadiens, je citerai Boris Vian: N'importe quoi, sauf la vérité. Il n'y a que ça qui ne se vend pas.

Dans les faits, le mot convergeance était assez faible pour décrire l'homogénité de nos médias. Une homogénité qui s'affiche tellement au grand jour et de façon évidente que c'en est obscène. Nos médias sont un véritable cartel ! Ce n'est même plus de la convergeance, c'est de la collusion!
You know, i think though that (even if i agree with you) that you're getting away from the subject at hand. You think that media is diluded and ****, but here it's nothing like that in the states. Trust me, i know, i've lived there to see it for myself (here's an example, and i **** you not. they had their main subject some lady in boston who was getting evicted with her 30 or so cats, they were giving this a huge look all the while the war in Irak-way back with clinton- was raging. that subject was covered for like two secs). Think about CNN, if there's any other news channel that is as HORRIBLE as that one, im Santa Claus. But anyway, i have to agree with the RDS being a bunch of **** stirrers. That's what they do best. Remember when Koivu couldnt come back a couple nights ago? RDS said that there was a rumour that he was unhappy with the fact that they were thinking of putting him on the fourth line so he could get his game back on. OMG!! cant they stir more **** than that? really? like inventing rumours just so people will read about them and yell (like me). It's really a pure marketing ploy. It gets people and then they talk about it, therefore creating media for the media. And dont you think that Pierre Houde looks like a child molester anyway? (hehe)


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I know it's that way everywhere, the system of the mass-media is made that way. But the fact that it's like this everywhere doesn't make it any less disgusting to me.

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The media makes the fans look bad too. Maybe because of them, others think Montreal has the worst fans in the league.

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The media makes the fans look bad too. Maybe because of them, others think Montreal has the worst fans in the league.

Nah TO is king by far in that category, but Montreal is second and with reason. Most fans I know are complete idiots, there's also a tendency to overrate way too much when he scores a few goals and do the exact contrary when he gets into a bit of a cold streak. I've noticed people aren't exactly understanding either and the fact a show as retarded as 110% gets 250000 viewers doesn't help. Did you see how much Komisarek has been overrated here?

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Its just a simple case of stupid people being sold crap by slightly less stupid people. Its not a hockey problem or a Montreal problem, it is a societal one. Ignorance and stupidity is the worlds most dangerous "disease".

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Dans les faits, le mot convergeance était assez faible pour décrire l'homogénité de nos médias. Une homogénité qui s'affiche tellement au grand jour et de façon évidente que c'en est obscène. Nos médias sont un véritable cartel ! Ce n'est même plus de la convergeance, c'est de la collusion!
I really was referring to a concrete financial convergence and not to a collusion that may be interpreted like paranoia. In fact, 97% of Quebec's medias are owned by only two individuals (Péladeau and Desmarais) - the truth is, Quebec has a significantly higher media-concentration percentage than all of the G8's countries, Canada included obviously (so no, it really ain't the same problem in the States, not meaning that there is none).

The convergence results in multi mediatic merchandising, like we've seen with Star Académie : shown on a Quebecor TV Station, broadcasted on a Quebecor radio station, reviewed (positively) and publicized in Quebecor journals and magazines, even sold in Quebecor music stores (with privileged exposure there too). It results too in a reinforcment of mediatic persuasive strenghts, which leads to people basing their opinions on their media's opinion - it's been a while now since "l'esprit critique" is dead in Quebec.

But, like I said, hockey is the slightest of problems in this field.

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PornoHolocaust parlait d'une convergeance dans les médias Québecois, il n'y a rien de plus vrai. Si on mets de côté Le Devoir, aucun des journaux ne se distingue réellement par son contenu supérieur.

Les médias sont d'abord et avant tout, sauf Le Devoir, des propriétés de compagnies visant rien d'autre que le profit, or, il se trouve qu'un contenu complètement vide et abrutissant est ce qui se vend le mieux.

N'importe quoi, sauf la vérité. Il n'y a que ça qui ne se vend pas.

Nos médias sont un véritable cartel ! Ce n'est même plus de la convergeance, c'est de la collusion!
Yep. Media in general has fallen on hard times. All reporters take short cuts, ripping off ideas from other writers and talk shows. The internet...?

As for Quebec, we are so small. The money is concentrated in a small group of influencial men. Plus, we do not demand much. The Journal still sells, even though it is a racist tabloid. SEX, SANG, SPORTS...and Celine Dion. I guess we deserve it. :mad:

Never forget that these media outlets are businesses that have to sell copies or attract viewers. The common man doesn't know any better.

Did you ever hear a story on the news about something that YOU knew very well. Surprised at all the errors in the report? Now imagine all the things that you are NOT an expert at, imagine how many errors are in those reports but you do not know any better. And you take it for cash.

Real reporting is a rarity.

A wise man once said, "don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see." (It was either Dylan, Tom Waits or george Carlin...I think)

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