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05-11-2006, 01:54 PM
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Here's the problem with the Wild. They have tons of talent available to them. I look at that Houston Aeros team and some of the young talent on that team is just sick. Guys like Voloshenko, O'Sullivan, Burns, etc....just shouldn't be playing there. They should be with the big club. The problem is that Doug Risebrough is an idiot when it comes to building and getting players on the team. This is a guy who has all of these youngsters available and he's let them sit in Houston. His interest is all about making sure the owner's wallet gets fat with greenbacks.

The Wild have had opportunities to surround Gaborik with great players and instead, they surround him with guys like Alexandre Daigle. They weren't active in free agency last year and other than trading Roloson for a first round pick and trading Willie Mitchell for a prospect defenseman whose hockey sense has come into question and picking up a defenseman whose play is up and down like a hooker's pants on pay day, he's done nothing to improve the team. It's easy to get talent when you consistently pick near the top of the draft, but the Wild have had five years now to get better and other than the one year they made it into the playoffs, they've digressed every year after that.

At some point, when do you hold mediocre management accountable for the state of the team. Yes, it's great that they have all kinds of talent waiting in the wings and yes, it's great that this is a franchise that is making money, but eventually you've got to put a product out on the ice that is successful. And success in this league usually means making the playoffs and making an extended run, not "well, we were close this year, but we'll be even better next year" type banter. Risebrough needs to go. He showed he couldn't get the job done in Calgary, so I don't get what would make anyone think he could get the job done here.
Your post is so littered with factual errors it's not even worthy of a response.

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05-11-2006, 03:43 PM
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Here's the problem with the Wild. They have tons of talent available to them. I look at that Houston Aeros team and some of the young talent on that team is just sick. Guys like Voloshenko, O'Sullivan, Burns, etc....just shouldn't be playing there. They should be with the big club. The problem is that Doug Risebrough is an idiot when it comes to building and getting players on the team. This is a guy who has all of these youngsters available and he's let them sit in Houston. His interest is all about making sure the owner's wallet gets fat with greenbacks.

The Wild have had opportunities to surround Gaborik with great players and instead, they surround him with guys like Alexandre Daigle. They weren't active in free agency last year and other than trading Roloson for a first round pick and trading Willie Mitchell for a prospect defenseman whose hockey sense has come into question and picking up a defenseman whose play is up and down like a hooker's pants on pay day, he's done nothing to improve the team. It's easy to get talent when you consistently pick near the top of the draft, but the Wild have had five years now to get better and other than the one year they made it into the playoffs, they've digressed every year after that.

At some point, when do you hold mediocre management accountable for the state of the team. Yes, it's great that they have all kinds of talent waiting in the wings and yes, it's great that this is a franchise that is making money, but eventually you've got to put a product out on the ice that is successful. And success in this league usually means making the playoffs and making an extended run, not "well, we were close this year, but we'll be even better next year" type banter. Risebrough needs to go. He showed he couldn't get the job done in Calgary, so I don't get what would make anyone think he could get the job done here.
I think the people that watched the guys in Houston would argue that they aren't ready for the NHL. O'Sullivan maybe, but certainly Volo. Burns is up, but when he was the first season, as well as Bouchard, pretty much everyone felt it was a mistake and they should be in Houston (too young at the time, unfortunately).

Apart from the aberration of making the playoffs, the team's gotten better every year. Colombus has consistently had better picks than we have, and we've outperformed them continually. They've signed FAs, they've done just about everything people get on Risebrough for not doing.

I think the moral of the story is that anyone who thinks there is a simple solution is probably mistaken.

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05-11-2006, 04:16 PM
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I believe you add free agents to make a good team better.

Building a fledgling franchise with expensive free agents is just wrong, and teams who try to jump start the process by spending big bucks usually end up screwed in the long run.

Building internally through the draft and with low level finds like Foster is a much better way to start a team. The Wild have a pretty rich farm system, and it will only get richer with 3 of the first 39 picks in this year's draft.

Many of this year's playoff teams, Carolina, Buffalo, Nashville, Montreal, New Jersey, show that homegrown flavor that spells T-E-A-M. I see the Wild joining that group fairly soon, and staying there for quite some time.

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05-11-2006, 05:11 PM
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Here's the problem with the Wild. They ... blah blah ... same ole' story ... blah blah ... this argument is the whole point of this thread ... blah blah ... Riseborough's an idiot ... blah blah ... think he [DR] could get the job done here.
Thank the Hockey Godz that DR hasn't built a team like Columbus has or Bobby Clarke has in Phillie. Columbus has overpaid veterans who were past their expiration date. Bobby Clarke has built a team of large, slow, overpaid goons better suited for waterskiing in the old NHL. Look at how slow Phillie's D are. My Gramma (RIP) skates backwards faster than Derian Hatcher.

Up here in MN, many of us understand that if the Daigle Baigle, Dupuis the DuPooP and Missed-by-A-Czech-Kilometre Kuba would have produced like they did in '03/04 when we made the playoffs, we'd very likely be in the playoffs. DR also made the decision to allow Andrew Brunette, Antii Laaksonen and Richard Park to go in an attempt to let the kids show what they've got. We really miss Brunette. Robitaille and White were alright, not great. Wanvig, Vielleux and Chouinard didn't do much at all. Combine all this and ... yea, we sucked. Especially when we were three points back of the 8th spot just after the Olympic break. Lost 5 straight and 8 of 10 to kiss our playoff hopes goodbye.

After watching San Jose, Anaheim and Carolina go deep into the play-offs relying on 5-10 rookies per team, yes, we're going to hold Riseborough's feet to the fire if we don't sign some talented UFAs, bring up some of our talented prospects and have a lousy season in '06/07.

Many of us understand building from within and are willing to suffer in the short term. Heck, many of us suffered for years with the North Stars. Maybe we are just used to suffering ... consider the Vi-Queens and the Twinkies.

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