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02-03-2011, 09:53 PM
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any one new want to give it a go?

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1. Jari Kurri
2. Teemu Selänne
3. Teppo Numminen
4. Esa Tikkanen
5. Saku Koivu
6. Jere Lehtinen
7. Matti Hagman
8. Kimmo Timonen
9. Miikka Kiprusoff
10. Reijo Ruotsalainen

Top 50 is a bit too much.

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Let´s give it a go. Of course comparing players from different eras is impossible, but this is not absolute truth anyways.

1. Teemu Selänne, W (76 goals as a rookie, still going strong at 40)
2. Jari Kurri, W (mr.Hockey in Finland, bunch of Stanley Cup rings)
3. Teppo Numminen, D (1300gp+, one of the most underrated players of his era)
4. Esa Tikkanen, W (winner at every level)
5. Saku Koivu, C (one has to wonder what would`ve been w.o injuries, great captain)
6. Miikka Kiprusoff, G (top 3 goalie of last decade)
7. Reijo Ruotsalainen, D (only one who could match Coffeys skating, SC winner)
8. Matti Hagman, C (based more on his outside of NHL achievements and potential)
9. Jere Lehtinen, W (mr.Selke)
10. Pekka Rautakallio, D (great offensive dman, first (?) finn to play in allstars game)
11. Jyrki Lumme, D (gambler with great offensive abilities)
12. Kimmo Timonen, D (smaller version of Lumme, better defensively)
13. Ilkka Sinisalo, W (30 goal scorer from the 90s)
14. Olli Jokinen, F (everyone knows the Pumpkinhead. Underrated at the moment)
15. Petri Skriko, W (30 goal scorer from 80-90s)
16. Risto Siltanen, D (short, stocky, powerful and skilled)
17. Sami Kapanen, W/D (30 goals/season, versitile, great skater and competitor)
18. Tuomo Ruutu, F (injuries have slowed him down, great 2nd liner)
19. Christian Ruuttu, C (two-way player, disappeared in the playoffs)¨
20. Joni Pitkänen, D (enigmatic, skilled, arrogant)
21. V-P Ketola, C (arrogant, tough and skilled)
22. Aarne Honkavaara, F (early stars of Finnish hockey, over 3pts/game)
23. Raimo Helminen, C (National team icon, leader, great passer)
24. Hannu Virta, D (could have played 15y in the NHL, small and skilled)
25. Heikki Riihiranta, D (one of the pioneers, played in the WHL)
26. Tapio Levo, D (one of the few Finnish NHL players in the early 80s)
27. Toni Lydman, D (top defensive dman)
28. Pertti Lehtonen, D (personal favorite, feel free to disagree)
29. Timo Jutila, D (loads of skill, national team hero)
30. Janne Niinimaa, D (nope, no typo here..)
31. Antti Miettinen, F (prototypical 3rd liner)
32. Jussi Jokinen, F (loads of skill, shootout champion)
33. Esa Keskinen, C (90s nat.team heroe, artist with the puck)
34. Juha Rantasila, D (scored goals at 0,5g/gm clip)
35. Kari Lehtonen, G (could still rise to stardom)

Yeah, I got to go, but heres something. I know I left a bunch of great players out, but feel free to critisize.

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03-19-2011, 05:56 AM
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I think Reijo Ruotsalainen is a bit overrated in those rankings. He have two cups and was great D-man but he played under 400 games in NHL. I would rank Kimmo Timonen much higher. The best NHL D-men from Finland Numminen and Timonen. If Timonen wins the cup he would be the best. I don't see any reasons to put Lumme over Timonen. Timonen was the most paid D-man in 2007-08 for a reason. He is damn underrated in Finland.

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03-19-2011, 06:20 AM
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1. Selänne
2. Kurri
3. Tikkanen
4. Numminen
5. Timonen
6. S. Koivu
7. Lehtinen
8. Kiprusoff
9. Ruotsalainen
10. Lumme

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Let´s give it a go. Of course comparing players from different eras is impossible, but this is not absolute truth anyways.

1. Teemu Selänne, W (76 goals as a rookie, still going strong at 40)
2. Jari Kurri, W (mr.Hockey in Finland, bunch of Stanley Cup rings)
3. Teppo Numminen, D (1300gp+, one of the most underrated players of his era)
4. Esa Tikkanen, W (winner at every level)
5. Saku Koivu, C (one has to wonder what would`ve been w.o injuries, great captain)
6. Miikka Kiprusoff, G (top 3 goalie of last decade)
7. Reijo Ruotsalainen, D (only one who could match Coffeys skating, SC winner)
8. Matti Hagman, C (based more on his outside of NHL achievements and potential)
9. Jere Lehtinen, W (mr.Selke)
10. Pekka Rautakallio, D (great offensive dman, first (?) finn to play in allstars game)
11. Jyrki Lumme, D (gambler with great offensive abilities)
12. Kimmo Timonen, D (smaller version of Lumme, better defensively)
13. Ilkka Sinisalo, W (30 goal scorer from the 90s)
14. Olli Jokinen, F (everyone knows the Pumpkinhead. Underrated at the moment)
15. Petri Skriko, W (30 goal scorer from 80-90s)
16. Risto Siltanen, D (short, stocky, powerful and skilled)
17. Sami Kapanen, W/D (30 goals/season, versitile, great skater and competitor)
18. Tuomo Ruutu, F (injuries have slowed him down, great 2nd liner)
19. Christian Ruuttu, C (two-way player, disappeared in the playoffs)¨
20. Joni Pitkänen, D (enigmatic, skilled, arrogant)
21. V-P Ketola, C (arrogant, tough and skilled)
22. Aarne Honkavaara, F (early stars of Finnish hockey, over 3pts/game)
23. Raimo Helminen, C (National team icon, leader, great passer)
24. Hannu Virta, D (could have played 15y in the NHL, small and skilled)
25. Heikki Riihiranta, D (one of the pioneers, played in the WHL)
26. Tapio Levo, D (one of the few Finnish NHL players in the early 80s)
27. Toni Lydman, D (top defensive dman)
28. Pertti Lehtonen, D (personal favorite, feel free to disagree)
29. Timo Jutila, D (loads of skill, national team hero)
30. Janne Niinimaa, D (nope, no typo here..)
31. Antti Miettinen, F (prototypical 3rd liner)
32. Jussi Jokinen, F (loads of skill, shootout champion)
33. Esa Keskinen, C (90s nat.team heroe, artist with the puck)
34. Juha Rantasila, D (scored goals at 0,5g/gm clip)
35. Kari Lehtonen, G (could still rise to stardom)

Yeah, I got to go, but heres something. I know I left a bunch of great players out, but feel free to critisize.
You've got Antti Miettinen but no Mikko Koivu?

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How could any list like this NOT have MIKKO KOIVU, if it has Miettennen?

That is a travesty!

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Yeah my bad. I didn´t have any lists or anything so naturally I forget a bunch of guys. Install younger Koivu somewhere around 10-15.

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You've got Antti Miettinen but no Mikko Koivu?
Or Valtteri Filppula?

Heck even Jokerit Ville Leino or Flyers Ville Leino over "Mittens" (Not Red Wings Ville Leino - that guy was bad...)

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Leino has only played under 150gms so far and this wasn´t a list for the most talented finn. At this rate he will be there very soon. I can´t believe how he didn´t get more chances with the Red Wings. Filppula was one of the guys I forgot as is Kari Eloranta. I would like to see someone else make a list and then compile a true top 50 from there.

Btw, Miettinen is nowhere close to being my favorite player, but he has played almost 500gms and scored over 200pts while playing a solid two-way game. So in my opinion he deserves to be in that list. Everyone can argue if he belongs to top 2 lines (nope) but for some reason he seems to be there every year.

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03-27-2011, 08:54 AM
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Only a top 40 because I excluded players from the "stone age", meaning players who were active before I got into hockey and started to keep track on players (and it's hard to compare players from times when hockey was so different anyway).

1 Jari Kurri
2 Teemu Selänne
3 Saku Koivu
4 Teppo Numminen
5 Jere Lehtinen
6 Esa Tikkanen
7 Miikka Kiprusoff
8 Raimo Helminen
9 Christian Ruuttu
10 Jyrki Lumme

11 Kimmo Timonen
12 Joni Pitkänen
13 Sami Kapanen
14 Tuomo Ruutu
15 Esa Keskinen
16 Hannu Virta
17 Kari Eloranta
18 Timo Jutila
19 Ville Peltonen
20 Janne Ojanen

21 Toni Lydman
22 Sami Salo
23 Mika Nieminen
24 Ville Nieminen
25 Kari Lehtonen
26 Juha Riihijärvi
27 Janne Laukkanen
28 Janne Niinimaa
29 Hannu Toivonen
30 Petteri Nummelin

31 Kari Takko
32 Antti Miettinen
33 Antero Niittymäki
34 Mikko Mäkelä
35 Niko Kapanen
36 Jere Karalahti
37 Ville Sirén
38 Niklas Hagman
39 Jarkko Ruutu
40 Aki Berg
I like your list simply because it has 6 former Malmö players, if I have counted correctly (Helminen, Ojanen, Nieminen, Riihijärvi, Niinimaa and Mäkelä).

Personally I don't have the knowledge to make a list like this, but I must say Helminen and Riihijärvi are two of my all-time favorite players.

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Ketola surely is the second all-time center behind the older Koivu. Being born 20 years later he would have had quite fantastic NHL career.

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Top 50 Finnish players? Don't know about that, but Aki Berg is not on that list that's for sure.

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I really hope Mikael Granlund won't be thrown back by injuries in his career. If this is the case you can possibly add him to this list.

I know he is too young and hasn't played enough international games to judge already now but he has great potential to become one of the best finnish forwards.

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I limited my list to 30 players to avoid having names such as Ossi Väänänen or Aki Berg on the list (which would be considerable choices when going towards end of top 50).

1. Jari Kurri (5 Stanley Cups, over 600 goals)
2. Teemu Selänne (Only his lack of silverware separates him from Kurri)
3. Teppo Numminen (Over 1000 NHL games, one of the most underrated players to play the game)
4. Jere Lehtinen (Selke winnter, solid career and got never traded during his NHL career)
5. Saku Koivu (Struggled with injuries throughout his career, captained legendary Habs)
6. Raimo Helminen (Played impressive career outside NHL although never made it in big league)
7. Esa Tikkanen (5 Cups with two teams, became journeyman at dawn of his NHL years)
8, Kimmo Timonen (Solid performer, excellent over-all defenseman)
9. Miikka Kiprusoff (Vezina candidate and lowest GAA record holder, bit of late bloomer)
10. Olli Jokinen (Despite never dominating, captained Panthers and had decent career)

11. Ville Peltonen (NHL career never really took off but was steady part of national team)
12. Jyrki Lumme (Once in finals with Canucks, solid career in NHL)
13. Pekka Rautakallio (Made the NHL all stars, played not with great teams)
14. Ilkka Sinisalo (Solid career with Flyers, reached SC final and scored 30 goals in season)
15. Reijo Ruotsalainen (Excellent skater, brought in to secure Oilers Cup win)
16. Christian Ruuttu (Solid performer with national team and decent NHL career)
17. Mikko Leinonen (7 assists in single play-off game tied Gretzky's record)
18. Sami Salo (Decent career and one of the better slap shots in the game)
19. Sami Kapanen (Few hundred NHL games, injuries limited career)
20. Arto Javanainen (SM-liiga all time highest scorer prior losing the title)

21. Valtteri Filppula (SC winner and first Finn to make it with Red Wings)
22. Timo Jutila (National team icon, best remembered in Finland for 1995 WHC win)
23. Matti Hagman (NHL pioneer and long career in Finland)
24. Petter Nummelin (Had long career with national team + went back to NHL at mature age)
25. Niclas Bäckström (Better goalie than gets credit for)
26. Jarmo Myllys (Considered too small for NHL, had great career in Europe, excellent with puck)
27. Markus Ketterer (Part of 90's Jokerit and TPS gold medal teams, excelled in -91 Canada Cup)
28. Petri Skriko (Was decent player for Canucks in the late 80's and early 90's)
29. Jarkko Ruutu (Has made his mark as best-known pests in the current league)
30. Kari Takko (Solid career as North Stars backup goalie, never a headline name though)


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^ You forgot guys like Mikko Koivu, Tuomo Ruutu, Pekka Rinne...

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^ You forgot guys like Mikko Koivu, Tuomo Ruutu, Pekka Rinne...
In my opinion if the guy is in under his 30's and has not won SC (the only reason why Filppula made the list) or any major awards yet I do not wish to rate them in the list with players who have already retired.

It is likely that Rinne, Ruutu and Mikko Koivu will continue to play better careers than Ilkka Sinisalo for example but at this stage it is too early to put them in top-30. If I had the patience to list all the way to top 50 they would make the list already.

For example, there would have been loads of persons who would have ranked Lindros among 50 most influential Canadien players if the list was made mid-90's. Post-career rating Lindros among that would not be likely happen.

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This thread needs more Mika Strömberg!

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Let´s give it a go. Of course comparing players from different eras is impossible, but this is not absolute truth anyways.

1. Teemu Selänne, W (76 goals as a rookie, still going strong at 40)
2. Jari Kurri, W (mr.Hockey in Finland, bunch of Stanley Cup rings)
3. Teppo Numminen, D (1300gp+, one of the most underrated players of his era)
4. Esa Tikkanen, W (winner at every level)
5. Saku Koivu, C (one has to wonder what would`ve been w.o injuries, great captain)
6. Miikka Kiprusoff, G (top 3 goalie of last decade)
7. Reijo Ruotsalainen, D (only one who could match Coffeys skating, SC winner)
8. Matti Hagman, C (based more on his outside of NHL achievements and potential)
9. Jere Lehtinen, W (mr.Selke)
10. Pekka Rautakallio, D (great offensive dman, first (?) finn to play in allstars game)
11. Jyrki Lumme, D (gambler with great offensive abilities)
12. Kimmo Timonen, D (smaller version of Lumme, better defensively)
13. Ilkka Sinisalo, W (30 goal scorer from the 90s)
14. Olli Jokinen, F (everyone knows the Pumpkinhead. Underrated at the moment)
15. Petri Skriko, W (30 goal scorer from 80-90s)
16. Risto Siltanen, D (short, stocky, powerful and skilled)
17. Sami Kapanen, W/D (30 goals/season, versitile, great skater and competitor)
18. Tuomo Ruutu, F (injuries have slowed him down, great 2nd liner)
19. Christian Ruuttu, C (two-way player, disappeared in the playoffs)¨
20. Joni Pitkänen, D (enigmatic, skilled, arrogant)
21. V-P Ketola, C (arrogant, tough and skilled)
22. Aarne Honkavaara, F (early stars of Finnish hockey, over 3pts/game)
23. Raimo Helminen, C (National team icon, leader, great passer)
24. Hannu Virta, D (could have played 15y in the NHL, small and skilled)
25. Heikki Riihiranta, D (one of the pioneers, played in the WHL)
26. Tapio Levo, D (one of the few Finnish NHL players in the early 80s)
27. Toni Lydman, D (top defensive dman)
28. Pertti Lehtonen, D (personal favorite, feel free to disagree)
29. Timo Jutila, D (loads of skill, national team hero)
30. Janne Niinimaa, D (nope, no typo here..)
31. Antti Miettinen, F (prototypical 3rd liner)
32. Jussi Jokinen, F (loads of skill, shootout champion)
33. Esa Keskinen, C (90s nat.team heroe, artist with the puck)
34. Juha Rantasila, D (scored goals at 0,5g/gm clip)
35. Kari Lehtonen, G (could still rise to stardom)

Yeah, I got to go, but heres something. I know I left a bunch of great players out, but feel free to critisize.
Sami Salo?

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I limited my list to 30 players to avoid having names such as Ossi Väänänen or Aki Berg on the list (which would be considerable choices when going towards end of top 50).

1. Jari Kurri (5 Stanley Cups, over 600 goals)
2. Teemu Selänne (Only his lack of silverware separates him from Kurri)
I know that in comparing Kurri and Selänne its always going to be apples to oranges..
But if Selänne had been Gretzky's wing.. I think the NHL goal record would be somewhere around the 1,000 mark.

Kurri's career was over 5 years at the point in time that Selänne just came in top 10 scoring at age 40. Seriously, Selänne is a legend - don't automatically put Kurri at first just because thats what we've all grown up with.

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I know that in comparing Kurri and Selänne its always going to be apples to oranges..
But if Selänne had been Gretzky's wing.. I think the NHL goal record would be somewhere around the 1,000 mark.

Kurri's career was over 5 years at the point in time that Selänne just came in top 10 scoring at age 40. Seriously, Selänne is a legend - don't automatically put Kurri at first just because thats what we've all grown up with.

100% Agreed. I think overall Selänne is the greatest finnish player of all time.
To maintain the level where selänne has been almost all of his career is just amazing. Almost 20 years.. edit. In nhl that is..

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I think Reijo Ruotsalainen is a bit overrated in those rankings. He have two cups and was great D-man but he played under 400 games in NHL. I would rank Kimmo Timonen much higher. The best NHL D-men from Finland Numminen and Timonen. If Timonen wins the cup he would be the best. I don't see any reasons to put Lumme over Timonen. Timonen was the most paid D-man in 2007-08 for a reason. He is damn underrated in Finland.
Im JYP fan and i agree... little bit too high in list

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1 Teemu Selänne
2 Jari Kurri
3 Saku Koivu
4 Teppo Numminen
5 Miikka Kiprusoff
6 Kimmo Timonen
7 Mikko Koivu
8 Esa Tikkanen
9 Reijo Ruotsalainen
10 Timo Jutila
11 Jere Lehtinen
12 Pekka Rinne
13 Raimo Helminen
14 Olli Jokinen
15 Kari Lehtonen
16 Christian Ruuttu
17 Joni Pitkänen
18 Antero Niittymäki
19 Matti Hagman
20 Pekka Rautakallio
21 Petri Skriko
22 V-P Ketola
23 Tuomo Ruutu
24 Risto Siltanen
25 Ilkka Sinisalo
26 Hannu Virta
27 Valtteri Filppula
28 Niklas Bäckström
29 Petteri Nummelin
30 Tuukka Rask
31 Ville Peltonen
32 Ville Leino
33 Antti Niemi
34 Ossi Väänänen
35 Toni Lydman
36 Mikko Leinonen
37 Jyrki Lumme
38 Arto Javanainen
39 Jussi Jokinen
40 Matti Hagman
41 Niklas Hagman
42 Esa Peltonen
43 Markus Ketterer
44 Jussi Jokinen
45 Janne Niinimaa
46 Sami Salo
47 Jarmo Myllys
48 Jarkko Ruutu
49 Esa Keskinen
50 Jarkko Immonen

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If Selänne hadn't had those injury-riddled seasons in the early 2000's (I know, unfair to hold them against him but life isn't fair) and better playoff production, I might place him ahead of Kurri. Kurri was an elite two-way player who could not only score big numbers but could play great defense as well. Plus he was always money in the playoffs.

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