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11-05-2003, 04:01 AM
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enough is enough is enough

The **** has hit the fan folks. BG needed about 10-15 games to see what he has, and now must realize we have nothing. How the hell this
organization bench Hossa and Hainsey ahead of these sick f##CKS,

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11-05-2003, 04:21 AM
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agree totally the time is now to do something no more patience even with koyvu back their is still too much heartless players , time to bench a few vets instead of rookies . :mad:

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agree totally the time is now to do something no more patience even with koyvu back their is still too much heartless players , time to bench a few vets instead of rookies . :mad:
Makes me sick to see hainsey on the press galery when we are trying to build for the future.

We're small and slow... not a very good combination... BG needs to toss a lot of players in the garbage can and give rookies a chance and built for the future.

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11-05-2003, 04:35 AM
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ok... this may sound weird and I dont know. i doubt this is the case....

hossa and hainsey benched. why would gainey want 2 players with lots of potential to play with those losers ?? I mean. their not scoring. the 4th line is getting more ice time. do you think their trying to piss audette, and other dead weight off so much that they wanna leave ?? I dunno what could be their strategy... the audette/gainey stuff goes back since gainey was in dallas. i am sure there are a few others julien doesnt care for. same thing with koivu. their not gonna trade him and probaly trying to showcase the other players who dont care for playing as a team rather then just playing as a individual player.

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11-05-2003, 04:49 AM
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And Komisarek, THE future D on this team is rotting in Hamilton. Even if he didn't have a great camp, he can't be any worse than Rivet right now.

And looks like Plekanec is doing pretty good there too. He lacks size but doesn't seem to lack heart like some of the players on the team right now.

We need some new blood in this team. BG has to act fast before we're contenders for the Overchkin race.

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11-05-2003, 04:58 AM
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11-05-2003, 05:03 AM
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Guys! Do you want to see the rookies on the ice in MTL? If so, you gotta clear out the veterns. At the beginning of the season, not one vetern was worth the cost of his composite sticks. Do you think that we can trade them if they do not play? They are on display.



You gotta put the mechandise in the window to sell it. Is it a coincidence that Michel Goulet, head scout of the Avs, was in attendence and the played Sundstrom and Garon? The Avs need a third line. They picked up Kono, maybe they need another defensive forward. Sundstrom was considered a premium defensive specialist before he started here. God knows that they need a goalie.

It is frustrating to see the futre sleeping in the pressbox or working on their game in Hamilton,but sometimes you have to believe that there is more to a situation then what is right in fromt of your nose.

That said, if Gainey doesn't shake the tree after the Habs lose :mad: to the Sabres (they are hot!) then we have a problem.

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11-05-2003, 05:13 AM
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Guys! Do you want to see the rookies on the ice in MTL? If so, you gotta clear out the veterns. At the beginning of the season, not one vetern was worth the cost of his composite sticks. Do you think that we can trade them if they do not play? They are on display.



You gotta put the mechandise in the window to sell it. Is it a coincidence that Michel Goulet, head scout of the Avs, was in attendence and the played Sundstrom and Garon? The Avs need a third line. They picked up Kono, maybe they need another defensive forward. Sundstrom was considered a premium defensive specialist before he started here. God knows that they need a goalie.

It is frustrating to see the futre sleeping in the pressbox or working on their game in Hamilton,but sometimes you have to believe that there is more to a situation then what is right in fromt of your nose.

That said, if Gainey doesn't shake the tree after the Habs lose :mad: to the Sabres (they are hot!) then we have a problem.

You're probably right but I think the more he shows the merchadise, the worse of a chance he has to completing the trade. It's like trying to sell rotten apples. No one wants any or will pay very little for.

It's a lose lose situation. You play them they lose value, you sit them and they lose value.

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11-05-2003, 05:16 AM
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Actually Enough is Enough is Enough!!!

Time for a reality check gentlemen. This current edition of the Habs is simply not that good a team. Nothing that BG or Julien does is going to make the Habs anything more than a 500 club that has a small chance of getting into the playoffs.

It seemed all summer everyone (or almost everyone) was howling for a "youth" movement or for certain players to get a shot on the top two lines. Fast forward to present day:

Ryder has played in all 13 games this season;
Hossa in 12;
Ward in 12;
Hainsey in 7;
Ribeiro has gotten his chance (started well, but seems to be tapering off).

There is no panacea or quick fix, calling up players like Plekanec, Higgins, Perezhogin and Komisarek is not going to make this team competitive right now. It might however, stunt their development by killing their confidence and eating into their ice time.

The only thing that is on the Habs side is time - In time some of the prospects will develop, in time for some of the over-priced vets will retire or move on. In time the club will be competitive again.

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11-05-2003, 05:36 AM
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Actually Enough is Enough is Enough!!!

Time for a reality check gentlemen. This current edition of the Habs is simply not that good a team. Nothing that BG or Julien does is going to make the Habs anything more than a 500 club that has a small chance of getting into the playoffs.

It seemed all summer everyone (or almost everyone) was howling for a "youth" movement or for certain players to get a shot on the top two lines. Fast forward to present day:

Ryder has played in all 13 games this season;
Hossa in 12;
Ward in 12;
Hainsey in 7;
Ribeiro has gotten his chance (started well, but seems to be tapering off).

There is no panacea or quick fix, calling up players like Plekanec, Higgins, Perezhogin and Komisarek is not going to make this team competitive right now. It might however, stunt their development by killing their confidence and eating into their ice time.

The only thing that is on the Habs side is time - In time some of the prospects will develop, in time for some of the over-priced vets will retire or move on. In time the club will be competitive again.

I don't agree with that. I think the fans in Montreal know that we ain't winning the Cup this year. In general, we understand and accept that we're in a rebuilding process. All we want to see, until this team is ready to be a contender down the road, is players giving 100%. Players going to the boards hard, paying the price in front of the net, playing with heart.

It's not normal that the biggest show of heart we saw yesterday were the 3 guys during the mechants millions contest trying to put in those 60 pucks.

There are obviously veterans on the team that don't wanna pay the price and don't buy into the system put in place by Julien. Bringing in some young blood will bring some much needed heart and at the same time, they will gain experience for next year. I'm not saying bring up all of Hamilton, maybe just one or two players at a time.

My 2 cents.

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11-05-2003, 06:41 AM
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I don't agree with that. I think the fans in Montreal know that we ain't winning the Cup this year. In general, we understand and accept that we're in a rebuilding process. All we want to see, until this team is ready to be a contender down the road, is players giving 100%. Players going to the boards hard, paying the price in front of the net, playing with heart.
The rebuilding the Canadiens are undergoing is on a massive scale. Aside from a handfull of players, this team will look considerably different in a few years. However, until the stop gap vets (Juneau, Perreault, Dackell, Quintal) move on, and until the contract nightmares (Audette, Rivet, Brisebois) expire, the Habs will have a difficult time icing a competitive team.

In terms of players not wanting to pay the price or giving 100%, Why should the fans and management be surprised. The same players who were the culprits last year, are for the most part the same this year.

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There are obviously veterans on the team that don't wanna pay the price and don't buy into the system put in place by Julien. Bringing in some young blood will bring some much needed heart and at the same time, they will gain experience for next year. I'm not saying bring up all of Hamilton, maybe just one or two players at a time.
The real question is how many rookies/prospects in the line up is too many? If you bench every underachieving veteran on the team and replace them with younger players, there is a very good chance that the club will be no better (possibly even worse) and that the development of these players will suffer as a result. The team may play harder short term, but what is the upside long term?

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