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11-05-2003, 02:29 AM
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Interesting but I think Montreal is overpaying a bit.

Zednik...Fine..he has to go for a good player
Hossa.Fine...

MARKOV...WOW! HOLD UP THERE PAL!
I wouldn't be so quick to trade him

Draft Choice->Depends.

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WOW!

Even if i am a big markov fan i will make that trade right now!


Iginla and Gauthier in mtl : GIVE ME A HELL YEAA!!!

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If the Habs have the money i think the Falmes would be interested .

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11-05-2003, 07:28 AM
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As far as I am concerned, this rumour is bogus.

110% has no credibility at all (pretty much a time filler before the soft core porn they have on that channel every night, not that I watch... )


GM's simply don't work like that, "I'll give you any three players for Iginla."

yeah, maybe if they were trading Hockey cards!




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I really can't see the flames wanting all d-men back, if they do this trade it is obvious the are trading for the future. But I wouldn't write this off as BS either. Montreal needs some offense and a 26 year old Power forward that has won the scoring championship i think would interest them a great deal. the question is at what price? Calgary tried to deal Iginla last year with not to much success and that rumored deal was suppose to be Gagne and Pitkannen. so gauge it from there. Calgary has played decent this year but there top line has done very little. New jersey is said to be interested in Conroy. So this might be a good move for both teams. If I was making the deal I would want Zednik for sure, and then a couple more players but I don't think Markov would be one first of all montreal values him, and second the flames have Leopold so they might be more interested in Komasarik or Hainsey, and the third guy would be a younger up and coming player maybe Hossa and I am sure the candiens could get Gauthier back. so i don't think it is unrealistic. There have also been rumors about Calgary having interest in Cujo freeing up some salary might make that a reality assuming Detroit were to eat some salary . and Cujo possibly to put some exit language in his contract. I think Montreal is on the verge of trying to aquire a big name player first the Jagr rumors now this might be interesting to watch

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I really can't see the flames wanting all d-men back, if they do this trade it is obvious the are trading for the future. But I wouldn't write this off as BS either. Montreal needs some offense and a 26 year old Power forward that has won the scoring championship i think would interest them a great deal. the question is at what price? Calgary tried to deal Iginla last year with not to much success and that rumored deal was suppose to be Gagne and Pitkannen. so gauge it from there. Calgary has played decent this year but there top line has done very little. New jersey is said to be interested in Conroy. So this might be a good move for both teams. If I was making the deal I would want Zednik for sure, and then a couple more players but I don't think Markov would be one first of all montreal values him, and second the flames have Leopold so they might be more interested in Komasarik or Hainsey, and the third guy would be a younger up and coming player maybe Hossa and I am sure the candiens could get Gauthier back. so i don't think it is unrealistic. There have also been rumors about Calgary having interest in Cujo freeing up some salary might make that a reality assuming Detroit were to eat some salary . and Cujo possibly to put some exit language in his contract. I think Montreal is on the verge of trying to aquire a big name player first the Jagr rumors now this might be interesting to watch
I doubt also that the Habs would have to give all their promising dmen to a team who's also full of promising Dmen already.

But I have to say that if the deal was Zednik, Hossa and Hainsey + maybe a pick for Iginla, the Habs would probably be all over it, considering how they just cannot buy a goal these days. A Koivu - Iginla punch could be devastating.

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Except for the unproven Russians ( Pere and Kats ) I think that the most interesting players Montreal have to offer are Ds

Komisarek
Markov
Hainsey

But the Flames needs offense more than D, so it's hard to imagine such a trade.

Anyway Zednik, Hossa, Higgins, Ryder, Hainsey, the 2 young russians, could all be part of the package, and I would jump on it if I was Gainey. But Markov and Komi plus a third player for Iginla, I'm not sure. I would rather go with Jagr...

And 110% has no credibility, so I don't think Gainey made that kind of offer, it looks like your brother-in-law calling you to trade players in your pool

 
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11-05-2003, 09:03 AM
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I doubt also that the Habs would have to give all their promising dmen to a team who's also full of promising Dmen already.

But I have to say that if the deal was Zednik, Hossa and Hainsey + maybe a pick for Iginla, the Habs would probably be all over it, considering how they just cannot buy a goal these days. A Koivu - Iginla punch could be devastating.

I don't think your deal would be far off at all. I could see Gauthier bieng included to get Komiserik instead of Hainsey but who knows. This deal would also free up a lot of cash for the flames without really hurting thier on ice potential. and might open the door for future trades. I have heard a Cujo for Turek. which is funny at first but if turek is going to miss 6 months it may actually have some basis. Detroit can carry 3 goaqlies in the playoffs and can go with turek and Legace next year, if there is a next year. and the flames can try and ride Cujo into the playoffs.

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Ya, and deliver the Cup to Dallas in the process.
But I wonder...How many cups did that move cost them???

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Montreal wont trade all their defence prospect.
i think this trade would work for both side if montreal gives :
Sourray, Zednik,Higgins or Perogizin

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If it was Koivu,Zednik, and Markov the Habs would get absolutly murdered!!

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Supposing this rumour has any basis -- and it might -- Gauthier would likely be involved, if only to make some room for one of the defensemen going the other way.

Trying to imagine a "fair" deal for Iginla and Gauthier is somewhat difficult.

I think that Zednik has to be part of the deal.

But I would be very reluctant to deal Markov. He will eventually be recognized as a league-wide top-two defenceman. He is offensively creative and reliable defensively, now lining up against the opposing team's top line. And he is young, improving, and sensibly salaried.

If Markov were to be dealt, I would not add much more than a so-so prospect or depth player or lower mid-round draft pick. In my estimation, Markov is really that valuable.

Somewhat similar to Munchausen, I offer Zednik, Garon, Hainsey or Hossa, and any one of: Sundstrom, Milroy, 4th round draft pick.

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Supposing this rumour has any basis -- and it might -- Gauthier would likely be involved, if only to make some room for one of the defensemen going the other way.
I agree that Gauthier would have to be included -- Flames have too many D-men as it is.

I think Iggy and Denis for Markov, Garon and Hossa is about right.

Davedave, I guess I haven't seen in Markov the potential you see there, but I don't get to watch all that many Habs games. I figured him as #3 blueliner material. I'll try to catch him this week and see.

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Zednik, Markov

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Iginla, Gauthier

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Zednik, Markov

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Iginla, Gauthier
Okay, so Bob Gainey supposedly says the Flames can pick any three players off the roster, save Theodore, for Iginla, yet the "suggestions" here keep seeing quality players dropped on the Montreal side of the equation and added on the Calgary side of the equation. Check the math people. If Gainey says any three players, and Sutter decides that the deal is worthwhile doing, I don't see him allowing Montreal to keep a player and throwing in another out of the goodness of his heart. If the Habs want Gauthier added to the deal, kick in another body. After all, if Gainey thinks that Iginla is worth any three players in Montreal's organization I think this is the starting place in the deal.

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Zednik, Markov

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Iginla, Gauthier
dont like the idea of giving up Markov, but I would still do that deal if it presented itself...

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Hey lany! need ur opinion on that:

Zednik,Hossa,Hainsey,sundstrom,2nd round pick

for

Iginla,gauthier,McAmmond(thrown-in)

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we are giving good return here IMO...

Zednik(replace Iggy in cgy) 1.8m$
Hossa(good young player with good potential) 1m$
Hainsey(bluechip prospect) 1m$
sundstrom(good defensive forward) free (we pay the rest of his contract: 500k i think..)
2nd round pick(very good pick if we consider MTL finish between 1 and 15)

we get
Iggy ... need explanation? 7.5m$
gauthier bring more size in defense... 1.3m$
mcammond lost is place on cgy top lines.. he's available and get lots of $$ for cgy ... so we can have him cheap IMO... and would replace some of our traded player.. 1.5m$

7.5+1.3+1.5 = 10.3
1.8+1+1 = 3.8
10.3-3.8 = 6.5
cgy save 6.5m$ they get more depth and they get younger..

so?

btw if u dont want to get rid of mcammond u can still keep him..and dont forget that you save 6.5M$ !!

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Newy sure helped....Conn Smyth winnner for the Stars in 99 when they won the cup

Great job Bob Gainey
Yeah, I get the impression that people think that Gainey was not smart giving up Iginla for Nieuwendyk. Maybe I misinterpret (something I seem to excel at ), but I get that feeling.

My perspective is is that the Stars got a valuable clutch player in Nieuwendyk who's good on faceoffs and very good offensively as well. He was an essential ingredient in the Stars Cup win in '99. I have the Stars Stanley Cup video, and it's obvious to me that Joe was a big part of their run there as he scored more than a few clutch goals.

Sure they gave up what is now one of the better power forwards in the NHL in Jarome Iginla, but they won a Cup in large part because of that move and got a couple valuable assets when they packaged Nieuwendyk to the Devils.

 
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dont like the idea of giving up Markov, but I would still do that deal if it presented itself...
The problem is I don't think that the Flames would do that. I'm starting to sound like a broken record for sure, but the Flames need a player like Jarome to fill up their stadium every game, IMO. Jarome is also their best player, their captain and a hard worker as well as being solid defensively. What can't this guy do? I don't think people realize just how important he is to the Flames. To move him would not be a wise move at all.

Zednik and Markov are fine players, don't get me wrong, but not enough to get you Iginla and Gauthier from my perspective. And I'm sure that many would agree.

 
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For those that are talking about Calgary not choosing all defenseman, or even two defenseman because that is Calgary's strength, IMO that would be a huge mistake.

If Calgary thinks that Markov & Komisarek are the most valuable Habs, then you take them in the trade.

Calgary would then be loaded with good young defenseman, somthing that all teams are looking for. It would allow them to make another trade to futher strengthen their team. Also could be used in trading chips this summer to help guaruntee a shot at Ovechkin.

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I can't believe you guys are falling for this outlandish rumor. Since when does a GM make a statement like that and not get fired? Geez, talk about panic mode. I'm sure Gainey has more brains and patience to say something like this only 10 games into the season. I might see Sather do this if he was just about to get fired anyways and wanted to make a splash, but no way does Montreal even think about this idea, let alone go public with it.

Besides, there's really no one on Montreal that could possibly replace the presence of Iginla. Markov? Give Leopold time. Zednik? Hopefully Saprykin or Dome can follow suit. Komisarek? What good is that addition when we have Phaneuf in the waiting? Koivu? Too injury prone. The list goes on....

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Hey lany! need ur opinion on that:

Zednik,Hossa,Hainsey,sundstrom,2nd round pick

for

Iginla,gauthier,McAmmond(thrown-in)

?
we are giving good return here IMO...

Zednik(replace Iggy in cgy) 1.8m$
Hossa(good young player with good potential) 1m$
Hainsey(bluechip prospect) 1m$
sundstrom(good defensive forward) free (we pay the rest of his contract: 500k i think..)
2nd round pick(very good pick if we consider MTL finish between 1 and 15)

we get
Iggy ... need explanation? 7.5m$
gauthier bring more size in defense... 1.3m$
mcammond lost is place on cgy top lines.. he's available and get lots of $$ for cgy ... so we can have him cheap IMO... and would replace some of our traded player.. 1.5m$

7.5+1.3+1.5 = 10.3
1.8+1+1 = 3.8
10.3-3.8 = 6.5
cgy save 6.5m$ they get more depth and they get younger..

so?

btw if u dont want to get rid of mcammond u can still keep him..and dont forget that you save 6.5M$ !!
Personally I just don't see the quality there that makes me want to trade away Iginla. Where is the benefit for the Flames in making this deal, except in saving money which they have already committed and budgetted, so is sort of a moot point? If the Flames are going to give away their franchise player they are going to make damn sure that they fill several needs in the organization. So just considering the three players that the Flames would be wanting for Iginla here's where I think Sutter makes his picks.

1) Markov. Flames need a PP QB in the worst way. Markov fills that need IMO. I think he would be a very good fit with Leopold.

2) Garon. Flames need a stop gap for Krahn, Medvedev, McElheny, Sabourin, etc. to develop. Garon should be able to team with Turek and provide a couple years service to buy time for the kids.

3) Zednik. The Flames need some scoring help immediately, Zednik should be able to provide that.

Those are the three guys that seem to fill the holes that the Flames have hanging out there. Now why the players you suggest don't work for the Flames.

1) Hossa. Unless his first name is Marian, forget it. He's a prospect and still likely a long ways off. No help for the Flames.

2) Hainsey. And where does he fit in the Calgary big picture? With an existing blueline of Regehr, Leopold, Lydman, Warriner, Gauthier and Ference, and with Commodore and Montador on the bubble there is limited space on the blueline for Hainsey. Add in Phaneuf and Ramholt and the Flames are pretty thick on the blueline. Hainsey just isn't a good fit IMO. He doesn't have the skillset that is lacking in the system (a PP QB).

3) Sundstrom. Really bad fit. The Flames don't have enough crappy third liners who couldn't score in a brothel with a roll of $100 bills? Add in $2 million dollars for a third liner? No fit at all.

4) 2nd round pick. Nice pick. Great, that's a player that won't see the light of day for probably four to five years at the earliest. How does that help the Flames out in replacing one of the top players in the game?

Its an interesting proposal, but not one that would get me to cough up Iginla alone, let alone kicking in Gauthier and McAmmond. Filling holes is the whole reason behind making a deal of this proportions. I just don't see many holes being filled. No deal.

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I think this "rumor" is hogwash. The only way Darryl Sutter orders a la carte from Montreal is if he books a table at La Bourgade.

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The problem is I don't think that the Flames would do that. I'm starting to sound like a broken record for sure, but the Flames need a player like Jarome to fill up their stadium every game, IMO. Jarome is also their best player, their captain and a hard worker as well as being solid defensively. What can't this guy do? I don't think people realize just how important he is to the Flames. To move him would not be a wise move at all.

Zednik and Markov are fine players, don't get me wrong, but not enough to get you Iginla and Gauthier from my perspective. And I'm sure that many would agree.
I agree with you....I did not even post this proposal, another poster did I just responded saying that I would do it from the habs standpoint. I am with you on all that you have said. If the Flames move him, they will have trouble putting people in the seats in their arena. The fans want to see their marque superstar as often as possible.

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