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05-27-2006, 04:14 PM
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Did Cashman ever lose a fight?

Of all the players I can think of one guy that never ever seemd to lose a fight was Wayne Cashman. I dont know why. I mean not that Cash wasnt tough, he certainly was, but he didnt rack up the penalty minutes that others did. I can think of a brawl back in 1980 where gary Howatt of the Isles gave Cash a sucker punch and got a good head start on him, after about 20 seconds Cashman was beating him and I'm sure Howatt was regretting it. But I've seen other brawls he's been in and fights and he never seems to lose.

Other guys that come to mind are of course Gordie Howe. Not to mention Terry O'Reilly he never seemed to lose a fight. Bob Porbert was the most feared enforcer of all time IMO but he still lost some. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because no matter what every young enforcer wanted to fight him so he was bound to lose some of them.

Also I cant think of a lot of fights Eric Lindros lost. He wasnt tested a lot after he "ran" his way through the league but I can remember him whalloping some guys.

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I saw Cashman lose a couple.

You forgot about John Ferguson. He use to practice dropping his gloves. And he was a 20 goal scorer when 20 goals meant something.

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Jim Schoenfeld and Cashman fought almost everytime the Sabres and Bruins played in the 70's, often more than once per night. They both won their share. Most of them could be called draws with both giving and receiving a beating. Their most memorable bout was a game where they crashed through the zamboni doors. Schoenfeld clearly got the better of him that night. O'Reilly took some severe beatings from Clark Gillies, but he kept coming back for more.

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Jim Schoenfeld and Cashman fought almost everytime the Sabres and Bruins played in the 70's, often more than once per night. They both won their share. Most of them could be called draws with both giving and receiving a beating. Their most memorable bout was a game where they crashed through the zamboni doors. Schoenfeld clearly got the better of him that night. O'Reilly took some severe beatings from Clark Gillies, but he kept coming back for more.
Gillies was an incredible fighter, so that's not really an insult to Terry O.

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05-27-2006, 08:32 PM
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And he was a 20 goal scorer when 20 goals meant something.
A twenty-goal season still means something.

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05-27-2006, 09:09 PM
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Gillies was an incredible fighter, so that's not really an insult to Terry O.
and there was much cheering in the land when Gillies destroyed the biggest, baddest, Broad Street Bully; Dave Schultz.

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05-27-2006, 09:29 PM
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Nobody in the 1970s was any tougher than Behn Wilson.

I grew up with a friend who had more hockey fights on tape than anyone; used to get them from him all of the time. There's one fight in particular where Wilson was pummelling O'Rielly, and every time he hit him O'Rielly was spun around in a complete circle, but O'Rielly wouldn't go down and he kept flailing at Wilson.

Big Behn could really throw 'em. I asked Brian Kilrea a couple of years ago in an interview who the toughest player was that he ever coached, and without hesitation he said Wilson. Bear in mind he's coached fellows like Rory Cava and Chris Simon as well.

I never saw Cashman win many fights convincingly, but he knew how to grab onto guys and minimize the damage.

Sometimes some of the best fights involved guys who rarely battle; guys like Garry Unger, Mario Tremblay, and Claude Lemieux coem to mind.

Garry Howatt and Dennis Polonich were the toughest pound for pound I've ever seen. Polonich was only 5-5 or 5-6, but he wouldn't back down from anybody.

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A twenty-goal season still means something.
You read it in a hurry like I did and at first I thought that 'nothing' was written.

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You read it in a hurry like I did and at first I thought that 'nothing' was written.
I read it correctly. He implied that twenty-goal seasons no longer mean anything, yet they still do.

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and there was much cheering in the land when Gillies destroyed the biggest, baddest, Broad Street Bully; Dave Schultz.
Schultz was a good, but certainly not a great fighter. He wouldn't rank among the top 5 Flyers fighters of all-time. Schultz had problems fighting anyone bigger, like Gillies.

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Jim Schoenfeld and Cashman fought almost everytime the Sabres and Bruins played in the 70's, often more than once per night. They both won their share. Most of them could be called draws with both giving and receiving a beating. Their most memorable bout was a game where they crashed through the zamboni doors. Schoenfeld clearly got the better of him that night. O'Reilly took some severe beatings from Clark Gillies, but he kept coming back for more.

well I heard it often but I never see it.

Just go there http://www.hockey-fights.com/forum/s...d/493339/tp/1/

and tell me if you see severe beating, IMO it was more a urban legend

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Two more who come to mind: Did Stan Jonathan or Dave Brown lose many?

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Two more who come to mind: Did Stan Jonathan or Dave Brown lose many?
Pound for pound they didn't come any tougher than Johnathon,just ask moose Doupont.As for the Original question on Cashman I remember a game agaisnt the flyers when Cashman was in out of the line-up with his back and towards the end of his career when Bob Kelly threw a head lock on Cash and pummled away.

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Pound for pound they didn't come any tougher than Johnathon,just ask moose Doupont.
Or better yet, ask Pierre Bouchard...

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I read it correctly. He implied that twenty-goal seasons no longer mean anything, yet they still do.
Yeah.

We took it from different angles.

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well I heard it often but I never see it.

Just go there http://www.hockey-fights.com/forum/s...d/493339/tp/1/

and tell me if you see severe beating, IMO it was more a urban legend
It's no urban legend. Pick up a copy of the 1980 Islanders/Bruins series. They fought 3 or 4 times. Even the announcers were concerned that O'Reilly would be seriously injured. No Bruins fan who witnessed that remembers it fondly.

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Schultz was a good, but certainly not a great fighter. He wouldn't rank among the top 5 Flyers fighters of all-time. Schultz had problems fighting anyone bigger, like Gillies.

Schultz is now angry at you.

To get revenge, he will build a time machine, and send you Dave Brown at his peak...


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It's no urban legend. Pick up a copy of the 1980 Islanders/Bruins series. They fought 3 or 4 times. Even the announcers were concerned that O'Reilly would be seriously injured. No Bruins fan who witnessed that remembers it fondly.
Those were great battles and though I'm not questioning Gillies toughness but Orielly was fighting those bouts with a bum shoulder.
I believe one that would pop out at time to time.

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Orielly recently intervied on Nesn was asked the question who were the toughest players he faced.His answers were Robinson,Gillies and Larry Playfair in no pacific order.

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Schultz was a good, but certainly not a great fighter. He wouldn't rank among the top 5 Flyers fighters of all-time. Schultz had problems fighting anyone bigger, like Gillies.
who would you have ahead?
Wilson, Brown, Glen cochrane...after that not sure. Berube,tocchet, Dan Kordic( was a beast IMO) actually drawing a blank.

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who would you have ahead?
Wilson, Brown, Glen cochrane...after that not sure. Berube,tocchet, Dan Kordic( was a beast IMO) actually drawing a blank.

Wilson and Brown are among the 5 best all time, IMO.

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From the late 70s, early 80s, Nick Fotiu was very tough and dont forget Dan Maloney from the leafs.

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who would you have ahead?
Wilson, Brown, Glen cochrane...after that not sure. Berube,tocchet, Dan Kordic( was a beast IMO) actually drawing a blank.
Wilson, Brown, Brashear and Lindros were all clearly better fighters. Other that would be up there would be Glen Cochrane, Berube, Kordic, and Tocchet.

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I saw Cashman lose a couple.

You forgot about John Ferguson. He use to practice dropping his gloves. And he was a 20 goal scorer when 20 goals meant something.
20 goals doesn't mean anything now? Heck, the past few seasons prior to this one it was harder to get 20 goals than it was in Fergie's day.

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Stan Jonathan took out Pierre Bouchard who towered over him back in I think it was '77 or '78. Jonathan fought all the time and never lost it seemed. He killed Lorimer back in '80 during their playoff series.

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