agree with john flyers fan... sharks get more for ricci than malhotra and a pick by waiting.
A playoff veteran with leadership, great team player with solid checking game, who doesn't want that ? I expect the avs would offer more than what modano fan is offering from stars. Sharks get more by waiting.
FYI stars-sharks rivalry stems as much from the fact that they are both hatched from the same northstars franchise before its move south and west. I might also add that for all the rangers woes they looked pretty good shutting out the stars with a backup goalie and no lindros.
To the Sharks ... : Manny Malhotra and Columbus' 2nd round pick.
To the Stars ..... : Mike Ricci
The Stars aquire that gritty, emotional two-way center. He might have lost a step over the years but his tank isn't empty yet. A chance of scenery might even improve and spark his game a little. He is a pending UFA so hence the lowe trade value he's recieving. Malhotra, at 23, I feel could and should still develop into a Ricci, Marchant combo.. maybe not as effective but a simular 3rd line two-way center. They also recieve the closest thing to a first round pick in Columbus 2nd, previously aquired in the Sydor deal. Seems like a good package for a team in rebuilding proces, they get a potential replacement and a relatively high pick.
To the Leafs .... : Manny Malhotra, Stephane Robidas and a 4th round pick.
To the Stars .... : Darcy Tucker
Manny's story is explained above. Stephane Robidas, aka Robocop, is a fan favorite in Dallas so it's hard parting with him, however, and with Daley coming up and Erskine maintainting himself as a rugged low paring defenseman, we could deal one of them. Robo is 5'11 but has some huge cojones, he often sparks the team by sacraficing his body to make a play or by fighting oppenents that are bigger then him. He's also steady and has a good offensive game, no holes, just not very spectacular at the offensive end. It gives the Leafs more depth on Defense as Robo would be a definite upgrade over Mush and form a nice pair with Klee.
Pierre Turgeon - Mike Modano - Scott Young
Brenden Morrow - Jason Arnott - Bill Guerin
Antti Miettinen - Niko Kapanen - Jere Lehtinen
Steve Ott/DiMaio - Ricci/Tucker - Stu Barnes
Sergei Zubov - Teppo Numminen
Richard Matvichuk - Philippe Boucher
John Erskine - Trevor Daley
That has the Stars rotating a quality 4th line and gives them the insurance of a quality player moving up when a top 6 forwards goes down. As in the current shape, the Stars have not adjusted to Lehtinen's injury as fast as they should've.
Hmmmmm, very interesting ideas you've got there. I think both ideas have some possibility and I think that the value is alright (though a little off on the second one, IMO).
Ricci would be a lovely addition to an already stacked Stars lineup. I think that the Stars have perhaps the best depth in the league and adding a great role player like Ricci would make them so much better. But I don't know if the Sharks would do this. They'd probably consider it seeing as they're rebuilding, but Ricci is an important aspect of their lineup. He's an ideal third line center with a lot of grit and work ethic. He's good on faceoffs and is a leader in the dressing room. He also can score maybe 40-50 points a season. I don't think that they should move him unless if they're out of the playoffs and get a good offer. I think that this offer is pretty good, but I don't know how valuable Maholtra is. He might just need a change of scenery to get going, but who really knows?
I think that Tucker would be easier to obtain and would probably cost less, but I again don't know how available he would be. It seems that a lot of rumor have his name in it, but it also seems that Leafs management (and Leaf fans) love Tucker and want to keep him. I think that a player like Robidas could interest the Leafs, but I don't know whether he's truly as good as you claim he is. Sure he's a solid depth defenseman, but I don't know whether he's as great as you're making him out to be. Admittedly I haven't seen him play much, though. In any case, I don't think the Leafs are rebuilding (and thus overly eager in Maholtra or draft picks) nor desperate for a defenseman of Robidas' caliber if it costs them a solid role player in Tucker. I think they'd rather package Tucker for a top four defenseman, which I'm not convinced that Robidas is.
These deals probably need some reworking, but the idea is not an entirely unreasonable one.
Malhotra is the type of player that if you wait around, you'll get him on waivers. He was drafted 6th overall and has shown nothing. A very unimpressive hockey player, he may round out into a solid 3rd liner. His value would be very low.
By accepting his role as a 3rd line center rather then enforce it and think he can be more due to the Rangers media and fans.
Manny isn't a regular, Manny has a boat load of competition and it's hard playing every game as good as you'd wish when you have the incertainty whether you've impressed the coach or not, whether you will be in the line-up the next game. Awaiting for someone on the team in front of you to go down with an injury to grab your chance. Not exactly the perfect situation to develop your further attributes and skills and not exactly the best food for your morale. Yet everytime he did well, everytime he impressed the coach and the fans.
That and Manny is 2 years older, he has matured and developed his game around the edges. With more time and seasoning, Manny will develop into a nice 3rd line two-way center, that's my opinion on the kid ever since his arrival and he hasn't let me down one bit.
How is he a third line center all the while not being a regular.
I agree with Davisian. Sounds like the exact same player we had in New York. Tons of promise. Little results. The numbers speak for themself.
i love it, manny is being defended exhaustingly by m=g in this thread...
just keep him then and clear a roster spot for him and let him fly on that third line.. although you'd have to move one of perennial third liner lehtinen, shut down specialist kapanen, or rookie two way phenom meittenen..
I'm a Stars fan but that is the most exhaustive defense of a borderline Ahler I have ever seen. Manny has done nothing in Dallas just as he did in New York. Dallas took a chance on player they saw who was young and fit the mold of a potentially speedy two way player and he has failed to develop. If they could send him down without risking him to waivers they would. In any deal he would be merely an add in.
Dallas needs stability especially in the blue- line and Letihen back and ,given the sad state of the Pacific, they will likely wait and see how the D- develops. The erskine, Robidas Sweeney 5/6th d-man think looks like a mess with Erskine playing the worst but somehow Robidas, who is playing the best, sitting out recently. The likely deal therefore seems to be for Dallas to acquire a solid defensive oriented left d-man to play with Robidas although I would try to bring Daley up first.