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06-04-2006, 03:39 AM
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Will Ryder get better?

This is for all the Habs fans out there. In his prime (which should be soon) what kind of player will Michael Ryder be? How many goals/points?

Thanks guys, I look forward to reading your responses.

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06-04-2006, 03:50 AM
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he'll obviously be a scorer since he is naturally gifted in that area, the area which I hope he will now focus on more is his ability to play without the puck wich is currently abysmal.

But that's not like something he can't learn to do, especially with the coaching staff we have.

I see him as a 30-40 goal scorer if he play big minutes, he could become better on def but he will probably always be under average for his without the puck playing.

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06-04-2006, 07:00 AM
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He showed more progress & raw ability in his rookie season. His goal-scoring ability was more natural (majority of his goals came from the high slot, as opposed to garbage goals in his sophomore season), and he'd give more effort and show more tenacity defensively. He was never even average defensively in his rookie year, but he showed signs of being opportunistic in more ways than scoring goals.

I also think Ryder's got a good natural thickness. I'd like to see him use that more. He could play more of a power game.

Anyway, this is all to say that I think all-around projections are difficult for him. We've seen two drastically different styles from Ryder in each of his first two seasons.

On a numbers-front, I would expect him to be a regular 30-goal, 55-60 point-getter, regardless of his style. Reason being that he's shown an ability to find ways to score goals; whether they be shots from the high slot, garbage goals, tip-ins or rebounds, he's a natural goal-scorer.

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06-04-2006, 07:22 AM
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He will get better. He played hurt for most of the season.

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06-04-2006, 08:09 AM
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Tough to say. It's all up to him.

Agree with Mike8 about his numbers, 30 goals and 60 pts is probably his top end. But he needs to drastically improve his play without the puck. I'm not sure how much of his poor play this past season can be chalked up to being hurt, but if he doesn't start to show some willingness to play physical and have some defensive awareness, his icetime will go down and so will his points.

So best case, 2nd line winger, 30 goals, averare-good defensively. Worst case, PP specialist, 20 goals playing 12-13 min/game. He has all the tools (speed, solid) to be a complete player, lets hope he gets his head into it.

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06-04-2006, 09:10 AM
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I'm not sure how much of his poor play this past season can be chalked up to being hurt, but if he doesn't start to show some willingness to play physical and have some defensive awareness, his icetime will go down and so will his points.
He had a herniated disc for over half the season, you too wouldn't play physical with that type of thing!! I think evaluating Ryder with what hapenned last year is innapropriate, let's see the guy play healthy once more and then we'll know what kind of player he is. One thing's for sure, with the way he played injured all season, he proved that he has a heart as big as Begin, in his own way. I think his play in the future will really depend on the kind of center he plays with, though he certainly hasn't peaked after two years in the NHL.

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06-04-2006, 09:10 AM
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imo, he will be a regular 30-40 goals scorer and 50-70pts player.... 50 being his lower hee could get.. got too much talent and scoring ability not to make 30 a year.. despite struggled quite a bit this season, he managed to score 30.. has a earlier poster said, he already proved he can scores all the type of goals.. with one exception, he cant stickhandle his way though defense.

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06-04-2006, 09:48 AM
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I think he should. The guy played hurt last season, and still lead us in scoring.

Him healthy should be nice.

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06-04-2006, 10:40 AM
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Im sure Ryder is a 30 goal scorer every season.But he needs to improove his skating.Summer skating school for him

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06-04-2006, 10:44 AM
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i think Ryder will play similar and put up the same numbers as the past two seasons. however, if we get another skilled center (akin or better that saku) who can feed him the puck, i think he could put up 40-50 goals. just my opinion.

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06-04-2006, 11:27 AM
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I think Ryder will eventually see normal minutes on a second or third line and be on the top line PP. I think he can still improve his passing skills and will learn to use his linemates better. I see 25-35 goals 25-40 assists. 75 points at his max - many coming on the PP.

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06-04-2006, 11:54 AM
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i think Ryder will play similar and put up the same numbers as the past two seasons. however, if we get another skilled center (akin or better that saku) who can feed him the puck, i think he could put up 40-50 goals. just my opinion.
IMO, Ryder don't have what it takes to be a 50 goals scorer...Koivu is a pretty good playmaker, but Ryder don't always know what to do with the puck. That's why he will always have around 35 goals, which isn't bad at all!

He still have to learn a lot to be a better NHL player and I really expect him to be a better year next season because he will be a healty player. I don't think he will have more points, but his overall game will be better.

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06-04-2006, 02:11 PM
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I think that Ryder will be a 35-40 goal and a 60-75 pts regulary . That its if he play on the first line with Higgins and Koivu

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06-04-2006, 07:41 PM
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IMO the obvious answer to the question in the title is yes.

The guy is an average sized player who is at his best when he plays a big man's game. His crash-and-bang style really complements our smaller centers. Unfortunately, playing with a serious injury really limits his ability to excel in this style, so he played more passively. Also, after working so hard and finally making it, it is only natural to have a bit of a regression or so called "sophmore slump".

The guy will score 40 goals in this league at least a few times, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did it as early as next season.

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06-04-2006, 07:44 PM
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Up until the lockout, Ryder had shown improvement every season since making Hull as a walk-on back in 1997.

This past season he wasn't hitting and forechecking with the same fervor that he did as a rookie, and his assist stats suffered as a result. Playing with Ribeiro wasn't as much of a hindrance in 2003-04 because Ryder often won the battles and was hard on the forecheck . Hopefully he can get over the bulging disks and return to the style that made him more effective in the past. Perhaps he became a little complacent and wasn't in the same condition he was in previous seasons.

I really think part of the problem with Ribeiro and Ryder was that they were pretty well handed the second-line spot this season. Back at the start of the 2003-04 season, Perreault was the team's second-line center. Ribeiro had to outplay him to earn the spot, and he did that throughout the regular season. Ryder started 2004 as a fourth liner along with 'Ribs, as he was behind Audette, Sundstrom and Zednik on the depth chart. Last season Ribs and Ryder were pretty confident that they were second liners at worst, so ther was less incentive.

Hopefully the addition of a UFA or two and the addition of a forward by trade along with pressure exerted from Perezhogin, Grabovsky, Kostitsyn, Plekanec and Latendresse will wake up Ryder and Ribeiro from the opening faceoff. I'm not ready to give up on Ribeiro either; I want all of our players to grow and mature, hopefully the effort he displayed at times towards the end of this season will carry over into a strong campaign whether he ends it with the Habs or not.

Ribeiro needs to hit the weights hard and add another 7-10 pounds of muscle mass, just like Joe Sakic did when he was 26. If he really wants it, he'll put in the work. If he doesn't, he'll be gone at some point of this upcoming season.

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IMO, on his peak he will reach about 35 goals and 35 assists for 70 points

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06-04-2006, 09:10 PM
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I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt for this year after I learned he play all year with a back injury. But if he just plays like he did this year...he'll endup being a goal scorrer who's a lyability in most of all the other aspects of the game.

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06-04-2006, 09:38 PM
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Yeah he still isnt established enough to state what sort of player or expect what sort of point production with him yet, he needs a couple more seasons or so.

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I hope so. Yes, he's good offensively, but needs to work on his all around game and consistency.

The guy is like Kovalev, he can dissapear for 3 games at a time.

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Ryder started off the season with an ankle injury suffered early in trainning camp after Jeff Paul (I think!?!) fell on him. He then suffered a herniated disk, as was already mentioned. Players that miss pre-season often have a subpar season.

Anyway, I really think Ryder will be a force to recon with next season as long as he's healthy. Eventually, in a few years, I'd like to see him with Latendresse and a good playmaking cente - maybe somebody with size. Maybe... and it's a big maybe, but maybe Ribeiro and Ryder could refind the chemistry they had a few seasons back.

Latendresse - Ribeiro - Ryder

Hmm!!??!

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IMO the obvious answer to the question in the title is yes.

The guy is an average sized player who is at his best when he plays a big man's game. His crash-and-bang style really complements our smaller centers. Unfortunately, playing with a serious injury really limits his ability to excel in this style, so he played more passively. Also, after working so hard and finally making it, it is only natural to have a bit of a regression or so called "sophmore slump".

The guy will score 40 goals in this league at least a few times, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did it as early as next season.


i agree to whole post.



He already is a 1st line winger, and will continue to be one for a while. He will also continue to increase his production for at least the next 2-3 yrs. The guy when healthy has speed, good forechecking ability, great shot with quick release, and reminds me a little like steve shutt. similar players except ryder can't tip in pucks like steve. He was one of the best at it ever!!!

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Why shouldn't Ryder get better? He has had only 2 years of NHL experience. He may not become much better than he is now, but he's already at a pretty good level.

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Why shouldn't Ryder get better? He has had only 2 years of NHL experience. He may not become much better than he is now, but he's already at a pretty good level.

I think your wrong and Ryder is gotta improove.2 years ago he was in the race for the Calder and lost it.Bergeron who was not a finalist for the calder exploded in his 2nd season.

Bergeron had 71games and a total of 39 points.
This year he played 81 games for 73 points. thats + 34 points.

Ryder in the first season played 81 games 63 points.
This year again 81 points and 55 points,thats -8.


If everyone on the roster next year drop 8 points,we don't make the playoffs.I don't know about you but Ryder better get going early next year or else he is gone thats if he even begins the season here!

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I want him to get better with his skating which should translate to better neutral zone and defensive coverage. I also want him to play more physical without the puck especially when forechecking ..let's see how he does when he's not injured.

Does someone know why he kept playing hurt? couldn't he take time off or something? and is the summer long enough for him to come back 100% healthy next season?

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Sadly, I think he has peaked already. I mean this guy will be a perennial 25 goals scorer but he is so one-dimensionnal. Average skater, defensive liability, turns it over all the time (see last goal against of the year), not very strong on the boards... And worst of all: He absolutely can not see the ice !! It's so frustrating If his linemates want the puck, they better go and get it cause they can't expect a pass from this guy anytime soon !!
Anyway, I think he's got trade bait written all over him. If there's one thing we got in our organisation, it is young scoring wingers; so someone's got to go and Ryder, I assume, has some decent value on the market. Package him with Aebischer to get something to address our needs at another position (center ?)

PS: Hate to use my 1st post to trash someone but what the hey ??

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