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11-07-2003, 07:17 AM
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Gonchar to San Jose proposal

Well we in Washington know that Crazy Ron loved Sergei and probably would welcome him with the Sharks.

The Caps would prefer to reduce payroll but we all here know McPhee is asking a kings ransom for the "Goocher"

When reality settles in I would think the Sharks (provided they are in contention later in the year) and Caps would be good trading partners.

My take would work around like this:

Mclaren OR Stuart, plus 1st and 3rd

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Gonchar

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11-07-2003, 07:22 AM
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Stuart and Ehrhoff for Gonchar and a 2nd

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Isn't Gonchar a UFA next year?

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Isn't Gonchar a UFA next year?
No. He will be a UFA the year after that I believe.

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Gonchar's deal is up after this year, but he will be restricted. He will likely be of UFA age in the new CBA. The CBA ends after camp opens.
So....thats an interesting situation to deal with.

Wilson thought so much of Gonchar that he kept him away from all defensive situations. Tightly managed his minutes. As opposed to Cassidy who has used him as the primary defenseman.

Gonchar will not be traded.

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Originally Posted by Tinordi24
Well we in Washington know that Crazy Ron loved Sergei and probably would welcome him with the Sharks.

The Caps would prefer to reduce payroll but we all here know McPhee is asking a kings ransom for the "Goocher"

When reality settles in I would think the Sharks (provided they are in contention later in the year) and Caps would be good trading partners.

My take would work around like this:

Mclaren OR Stuart, plus 1st and 3rd

for

Gonchar
so would skoula OR Liles plus the avs lst and Florida's 2nd from the worrell trade be of interest to the caps?

i figure the difference in 2nd to 3rd would be of equal value from mclaren to skoula etc.

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11-07-2003, 08:32 AM
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so would skoula OR Liles plus the avs lst and Florida's 2nd from the worrell trade be of interest to the caps?

i figure the difference in 2nd to 3rd would be of equal value from mclaren to skoula etc.

I dont think the Caps would want any part of Skoula b/c we have defensemen like him already. They need a physical presence or at least someone strong in his own end.

Liles is interesting as I have heard nothing but good about him but have yet to see him play.

Knowing McPhees shrewdness I expect the Caps to either get a lot more for him or not trade him at all tho. Not saying that I agree with it but thats just his style.

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I dont think the Caps would want any part of Skoula b/c we have defensemen like him already. They need a physical presence or at least someone strong in his own end.

Liles is interesting as I have heard nothing but good about him but have yet to see him play.

Knowing McPhees shrewdness I expect the Caps to either get a lot more for him or not trade him at all tho. Not saying that I agree with it but thats just his style.
Gonchar is not on the market. This comes from one of those wild canadian media reports that even the Leafs have said has no foundation.

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Gonchar is not on the market. This comes from one of those wild canadian media reports that even the Leafs have said has no foundation.
Youre deluding yourself. The Caps desperately want to dump salary and will not be able to afford to resign Gonchar anyhow.

If they dont trade him they will lose him for nothing.

McPhee and Ted have always lied. The kiss of death is when they come out and say "This player isnt going to be traded" or "We're not gonna fire the coach"

Cassidy is gone and Gonchar will follow at the very latest by the deadline this year.

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time will tell. only time will tell. we have between now and march to find out. its been my experience that trades talked about on these boards don't happen. that trades talked about in the media rarely happen. AND that the trades that the Capitals make are never talked about before they happen.

Take all that together and it tells me that Gonchar is not going anywhere.

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11-07-2003, 01:08 PM
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That you ask for Mclaren or Stuart makes me laugh. There's a big difference in quality there.

I'd gladly do a Gonchar-Stuart + other stuff swap, but why on earth would the Sharks?

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so would skoula OR Liles plus the avs lst and Florida's 2nd from the worrell trade be of interest to the caps?

i figure the difference in 2nd to 3rd would be of equal value from mclaren to skoula etc.
Maybe in terms of Maclaren, but Stuart is not comparable to Liles or Skoula, with or without the draft picks. I would trade Gonchar for Stuart straight up before trading Gonchar for Liles OR Skoula and the draft picks you mention.

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Stuart, plus 1st and 3rd

for

Gonchar

I missed the dotted line....where is it? Blue? Black?

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Well we in Washington know that Crazy Ron loved Sergei and probably would welcome him with the Sharks.

The Caps would prefer to reduce payroll but we all here know McPhee is asking a kings ransom for the "Goocher"

When reality settles in I would think the Sharks (provided they are in contention later in the year) and Caps would be good trading partners.

My take would work around like this:

Mclaren OR Stuart, plus 1st and 3rd

for

Gonchar

First, if I was San Jose Gm there is almost no way I would let Brad Stuart go. He is the complete package and still full of potential. Moreover, if find it really funny that you consider Mclaren and Stuart interchangable and having the same value. Did mention that San Jose first will likely be a very high one?

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Youre deluding yourself. The Caps desperately want to dump salary and will not be able to afford to resign Gonchar anyhow.

If they dont trade him they will lose him for nothing.
And yet you think that his trade value is Stuart, a 1st and a 3rd??? You're just too far off here, buddy. The fact that he'll be very expensive to resign SERIOUSLY lowers his trade value.

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No chance Wilson lets go of Stuart. He'd just awesome. McLaren, on the other hand, seems a bit interesting. Washington needs a hard hitting d-man, and McLaren fits the description.

And, for those that say Gonchar is going no where, don't count on it. McPhee wants to cut salary, and since no one wants to take Jagr or Lang, and Kolzig doesn't want to leave, Gonchar is the answer.

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Liles is interesting as I have heard nothing but good about him but have yet to see him play.
I don't want to get started on Gonchar to Colorado rumors, but I highly doubt the Avalanche move John-Michael Liles. They consider him the best one out of our young defensemen... Martin Skoula, Tomas Slovak, Johnny Boychuk, Keith Ballard and Mikko Vittanen in my honest opinion.

If the Avalanche do business with Washington, it'll be centered around Olaf Kolzig. The only addition the Avalanche need to their defense corps is a defensive minded second pairing caliber defenseman. Gonchar, while a tremendous player, would cost us valuable assets that would be better served in trying to upgrade the goaltending department.

Anybody who thinks Pierre Lacroix will enter the 2004 playoffs with Aebischer as his starter is fooling themselves.

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Didn't Stuart miss a good chunk of the season with a pretty serious concussion?

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Didn't Stuart miss a good chunk of the season with a pretty serious concussion?
Bingo! I really like Stuart, but his development is being hindered by some injuries. Although missing most of last year was problably a good thing considering SJ's situation.

As for Gonchar, SJ WON'T move Stuart. McLaren is a different matter all together. We brought BIG MAC in to be that physical, hard-hitting defenseman that every team needs. UNfortunately, he's been playing like he found some skill someplace. After an apparent talking to by the coach, Mac's been playing a little tougher on the blueline, but he still has plenty of room to step it up.

That said, i'd be willing to part with McLaren + 3rd for Gonchar.

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That said, i'd be willing to part with McLaren + 3rd for Gonchar.
How very generous of you

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I agree that gonchar probably isn't going anywhere. However Brad Stuart would at least get them to listen... Its a question about the rest of the package between the two teams to make it work.

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I disagree

I think the $8 million dman is history. The CBA could end up making Gonchar a bargain at $6.5 in his prime years.

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