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06-08-2006, 12:16 AM
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boredmale whatever happened to Jan Holub?

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06-08-2006, 12:26 AM
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Those are a few nice players, but where's the depth after that? The Rangers are chock full of depth. We almost have too much!

The Isles prospect pool is top heavy. But not in a great way. Top heavy in that there are some nice players and probably 2nd and 3rd liners and MAYBE a 1st liner (but that's a HUGE streatch right now). After that who is there? No one, basically. IMO Tambellini is your best prospect right now. He's a solid prospect, but you guys really, really have little to no depth after the top few players.
More importantly than any of that JP, your team has a "present". That is, your young players will be introduced on to a roster that has now had some success together, with some bonafide leaders/role models. A core. I'm not ready to confuse Jagr/Straka/Nylander and Kasparaitus for Gretzky, Kurri, Messier and Coffey, but you get the point. Think Prucha would have succeeded nearly as well this season were he thrust into a top 6 role minus a Jagr, etc? (And that is taking NOTHING away from the kid.)

That is the area - a critical area - in which NYI is lacking. They are void of a core. That is Job One for Neil Smith - somehow uncovering some (more) vets who can provide a cushion and an example. With that in mind, will be very interesting to see what happens (or not) to #79 near-term.

You do not win in this league simply with a lot of shiny prospects. You win with an environment that allows you to patiently introduce youngsters into the fold. Look at Carolina right now, two wins away. Think Staal and Ward could carry the load without a bunch of vets on board? (Rhetorical question.)

All that said, as one who is pretty hard on my hometeam, I am happy as a pig in mud about these reported hirings. (Been wanting to use that phrase for a while. )

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06-08-2006, 12:30 AM
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More importantly than any of that JP, your team has a "present". That is, your young players will be introduced on to a roster that has now had some success together, with some bonafide leaders/role models. A core. I'm not ready to confuse Jagr/Straka/Nylander and Kasparaitus for Gretzky, Kurri, Messier and Coffey, but you get the point. Think Prucha would have succeeded nearly as well this season were he thrust into a top 6 role minus a Jagr, etc? (And that is taking NOTHING away from the kid.)

That is the area - a critical area - in which NYI is lacking. They are void of a core. That is Job One for Neil Smith - somehow uncovering some (more) vets who can provide a cushion and an example. With that in mind, will be very interesting to see what happens (or not) to #79 near-term.

You do not win with a lot of shiny prospects. You win with an environment that allows you patiently introuduce youngsters into the fold. Look at Carolina right now, two wins away. Think Staal and Ward could carry the load without a bunch of vets on board? (Rhetorical question.)

All that said, as one who is pretty hard on my hometeam, I am happy as a pig in mud about these reported hirings. (Been wanting to use that phrase for a while. )

Masterfully used phrase Trottier.

I think these hirings bode well for the Isles. I wonder if Yashin will be shown the door under Smith.... perhaps.

It should be an exciting off season on the island.

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06-08-2006, 01:23 AM
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I liked Neil for the most part as GM. When Dolan moved in though his work declined.
Of course Dolan wanted all the big names. As for Nolan we finally get to put all the years we've been hearing of his being blackballed to rest. Anyway--interesting moves that could pay big dividends in the end. And as Trots points out what role will there be for Mr. Yashin?--who to me is a wreck of the player he once was and IMO represents the worst contract in the league. To be honest they should have bought him out last year and I realize why they didn't but this guy is an albatross around the neck of the entire franchise and blocks their way forward. Just an opinion though.

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06-08-2006, 01:38 AM
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If I'm the Islanders, I give Yashin one more year, especially considering the cap will go up about 4 million next year according to reports. If he plays like crap again, then buy him out.

Very interested to see how Nolan does.

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06-08-2006, 03:18 AM
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while I dislike the islanders, I'm of the opinion that a good islander team (and a good islander/rangers rivalry) is good for new york hockey. So I wish neil and the islanders luck and look forward to a competitive rivalry over the coming years.

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06-08-2006, 06:26 AM
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Oddly, my primary emotion is "inconvenienced".

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06-08-2006, 06:58 AM
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Good move.

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Oddly, my primary emotion is "inconvenienced".

Hehehehe...someone needs an avatar and member ID makeover! Hehehehe...

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06-08-2006, 07:36 AM
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Here's hoping that Smith shares the same type of sucess with the Islanders that Trottier did with the Rangers...

My thoughts exactly!!!

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boredmale whatever happened to Jan Holub?
chances of him ever coming here are slim and slimmer

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06-08-2006, 08:26 AM
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eh, decent move for a shakeup. as crappy as smith was after the cup, he'll probably do alright now without the pressure of trying to win now and bring in big names (unless Wang wants that...)

Nolan...I'm on the fence. he seems to have been doing well coaching juniors this year, he's had some ok success in the NHL (the numbers themselves aren't spectacular and a lot can be placed at the feet of Hasek) so we'll see how he does the second time around.

comedy option: what's he over/under on when he sleeps with carol alt?

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wow...a test for each, really. I like both of these guys. Can i possibly pull for the Isles though!? Geesh...this is gonna be difficult - i can't stand the Isles and have enjoyed their constant baffoonery. But have wished Neil Smith nothing but success since the Rangers kinda hog-tied him to a 'win now' philosophy and then fired him. And Nolan has seemingly had an unwarranted black-listed status...so i have been pulling for him too.

UGH. Why the Islanders! WHY!

I think this is a great (smart) risk by the Isles mgmt. So congrats to them...


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Two excellent moves by our most hated rival. Excellent, excellent moves.

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Two excellent moves by our most hated rival. Excellent, excellent moves.
Just as I was wondering why Neil hasn't been given another GM job....

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Just as I was wondering why Neil hasn't been given another GM job....
Certainly true. Both him and Nolan will be hell-bent to prove all of their critics wrong. I expect an imminent turnaround by the Isles within a year or two. Lots of prospects, a star-caliber goalie and another good pick coming this year.

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Certainly true. Both him and Nolan will be hell-bent to prove all of their critics wrong. I expect an imminent turnaround by the Isles within a year or two. Lots of prospects, a star-caliber goalie and another good pick coming this year.

I like the moves (especially Smith). I have to wonder if Smith had a say in hiring Nolan.

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06-08-2006, 09:12 AM
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I am mostly wondering if 7 years without a playoff appearance is worth a Stanley cup. For me it is as I am a Rangers fan even if they don't make the playoffs. But I suppose others might say it isn't worth it.

I think Smith should be improved as a GM. As should Teddy Nolan.

assuming they learned from their mistakes.

Its too bad they are saddled with the pre-cap contact of yashin, whereas the rangers have the benefit of washington paying part of jagr's salary.

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Just as I was wondering why Neil hasn't been given another GM job....
Two words: John Muckler. Both men wanted him fired. Both failed to get it done.

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06-08-2006, 09:49 AM
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Two words: John Muckler. Both men wanted him fired. Both failed to get it done.
Muckler and Smith were fired at the same time.

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06-08-2006, 10:02 AM
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Muckler and Smith were fired at the same time.
Prior to that Smith wanted to get rid of JM. Checketts didn't let him. Hiring Mucker was a very big Neil's mistake. If you notice, smart GMs never hire anyone with huge network within the league.

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Prior to that Smith wanted to get rid of JM. Checketts didn't let him. Hiring Mucker was a very big Neil's mistake. If you notice, smart GMs never hire anyone with huge network within the league.
He had to appease Gretzky, no? In fact alot of move in the Gretz era I attribute more to 99 than Smith. What was Neil gonna do go against the leagues all time player?

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He had to appease Gretzky, no? In fact alot of move in the Gretz era I attribute more to 99 than Smith. What was Neil gonna do go against the leagues all time player?
Never thought about that. Good point.
Anyway, Ottawa is now our big ally against Fishsticks.

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Prior to that Smith wanted to get rid of JM. Checketts didn't let him. Hiring Mucker was a very big Neil's mistake. If you notice, smart GMs never hire anyone with huge network within the league.

That doesn't change the fact that Smith had a lot of success and won a Cup. Most retread GMs (and I'm not saying that Smith is a retread) can't say that.

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06-08-2006, 10:21 AM
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Never thought about that. Good point.
Anyway, Ottawa is now our big ally against Fishsticks.
Ottawa will never win with Bryan Murray(oof the worst) and Muckler. Two overrated hockey men, imo.

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