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hedberg one of the biggest steals of the summer!

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11-05-2003, 06:27 PM
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hedberg one of the biggest steals of the summer!

man this guy is playing great for the canucks, defiantely what cloutier needed, undefeated right now, good trade by the pens though as it made room for fleury who is no slotch!

to bad the avs didn' get this guy to be their backup this year, as he would provide some stability and push abby to play better, oh well great move by burke.

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It's been a nice pick-up for sure, in fact all of Burke's recent aqusitions are making him look like a genuis lately. Althougth that 2nd round pick is going to hurt for a while. Pittsburgh certianly didn't lose this deal...

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11-05-2003, 06:43 PM
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man this guy is playing great for the canucks, defiantely what cloutier needed, undefeated right now, good trade by the pens though as it made room for fleury who is no slotch!

to bad the avs didn' get this guy to be their backup this year, as he would provide some stability and push abby to play better, oh well great move by burke.
Yeah, I'd say that this is a good deal for both sides.

As you pointed out, it cleared up space on the roster for Marc-Andre Fleury, who is amazingly one of the best young goalies in the NHL at the tender age of 18 even though he has a porous defense and very little scoring support. This kid is amazing, and the Pens were wise to make room for him (although it sure looked like a gamble at the time) and got a second round pick for him. Nothing to whine about.

And the Canucks got exactly what they needed - a reliable backup goaltender to push Cloutier and could win games for the team both when starting and also in relief (unlike backups of the past). And at the cost of a second round pick, I'd say it's looking to be worth it to get Hedberg. Our goaltending has been superb. I know that a lot can change, but the early impression is good.

I think the Avs will be fine without Hedberg. Both Aebischer and Sauve are good young goaltenders with impressive upside, IMO. Sure both have a lot to prove, but does it matter that much that the Avs have rock solid goaltending? Not really, IMO. Once the Avs begin to develop some chemistry (they've added a lot of new faces in the off-season) they should become a force to be reckoned with. It's just a matter of getting things rolling and getting some confidence and so on and so forth.

 
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Hedberg was always under rated because of the poor defense in front of him. he's no all star, but he's definitely a #1 goalie. nice to hear he is doing well, he was a fan favorite in Pittsburgh. i've been hoping he would be able to steal the starting job from Cloutier.

also, it was reported in a Pittsburgh paper this summer that Burke didnt want to give up a 2nd rounder, only a third. But Patrick held out, left the offer on the table and Burke eventually took it. i'm glad fleury made the team, cause otherwise we'd be far worse off.

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Good deal by both teams. Great to see Hedberg playing well. By the way, I don't know what a "slotch" is, but I'm glad Fleury isn't one.

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Slotch

I think a slotch is someone with a slow crotch. Does that mean he has a big five hole? :p

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Hedberg definitely was underrated in Pittsburgh, I'm glad to see him do well elsewhere.

And saying he was a fan favorite in Pittsburgh may be the biggest understatement of the year...

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Hedberg definitely was underrated in Pittsburgh, I'm glad to see him do well elsewhere.

And saying he was a fan favorite in Pittsburgh may be the biggest understatement of the year...
But I wonder if that is really accurate. When Hedburg was in AHL Cleveland (formerly Kentucky) he rated very well. The problem was Toskala was a better prospect goalie (at the time) and SJ looked so strong with Nabby and Kipprusof. I was glad Hedburg went to the Pens and I am glad to see him thriving in Vancouver. He's solid, although a little acrobatic (considering he came from the SJ system).

I am wondering if you think the Moose could really challenge for the #1 in Van? Or is Cloutier the guaranteed #1 for the forseeable future?

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Finally !
Now does it take some time to get through people's head that Hedberg is a good goalie or what ?

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I always thought of Hedberg as a pretty good goalie

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But I wonder if that is really accurate. When Hedburg was in AHL Cleveland (formerly Kentucky) he rated very well. The problem was Toskala was a better prospect goalie (at the time) and SJ looked so strong with Nabby and Kipprusof. I was glad Hedburg went to the Pens and I am glad to see him thriving in Vancouver. He's solid, although a little acrobatic (considering he came from the SJ system).

I am wondering if you think the Moose could really challenge for the #1 in Van? Or is Cloutier the guaranteed #1 for the forseeable future?
the thing about hedberg was he was a few years older than the rest of the Sj goalies. the Pens actually had been scouting him for two years, and tried to get him for about a year. it wasnt until nabakov and kiprussuf emerged that they were willing to let him go (for jeff norton of all players).

as for taking the #1 in Van, well, i think Burke has a lot to do with that. he seems to be highly commited to cloutier, which makes it tough for Hedberg to take the #1.

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Good deal for both teams. I like Hedbergs mentality. He always seem to combine a competitive side with an easy going side, when you read interviews with him.

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Hedberg has always been a good goalie. I think he has the ability to become a top 10 goalie in the league and I would not be suprised to see him take the job away from Dan before the allstar break. Considering the last goalie with potental the pens delt away turnt out to be none other Patrick Lalime and he never turnt out to be that bad.

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Not too take much away from Hedberg,

But he has started against three teams that are not the toughest challenges in the league.

I thought his game against Nashville was 'ho-hum'. To be honest, I'm happy he's not starting in St.Louis tonight.

This isn't to discredit him. I think he just had a somewhat tough night in Nashville, the Canucks defense wasn't quite as tight as it was the last couple of games, but even still I thought he should have had the 1st goal, giveaway or not.

Oh well, I think he'll do just fine throughout the entire season though.

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With all due respect to Cloutier, either Caron or Hedberg is an upgrade.

If the Nucks had gotten Caron, he'd be lighting it up too. Hedberg's older, more experienced, and it was a good deal for the Penguins. Because if Hedberg stays in Pittsburgh, where would Fleury be?

It worked out for both teams on so many more levels than just equality.

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I'm not sure Caron is better than Cloutier yet.
I think you're underrating Cloutier a lot here.

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With all due respect to Cloutier, either Caron or Hedberg is an upgrade.
Cloutier is the better of the two goaltenders thusfar.

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How anyone can say that Hedberg is the better goaltender than Cloutier is beyond me. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but Cloutier has completely outplayed Hedberg so far to start the season.

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How anyone can say that Hedberg is the better goaltender than Cloutier is beyond me. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but Cloutier has completely outplayed Hedberg so far to start the season. I know it's only the start of the season, but Hedberg hasn't really impressed me at all. I really like his puckhandling and position, but he's an average goalie in all other aspects IMO. Cloutier has impressed me a whole lot more so far this season and if he continues to play this way, I have no doubt that he will be the Canucks' starter come playoff time...

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How anyone can say that Hedberg is the better goaltender than Cloutier is beyond me. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but Cloutier has completely outplayed Hedberg so far to start the season. I know it's only the start of the season, but Hedberg hasn't really impressed me at all. I really like his puckhandling and position, but he's an average goalie in all other aspects IMO. Cloutier has impressed me a whole lot more so far this season and if he continues to play this way, I have no doubt that he will be the Canucks' starter come playoff time...
Until he gets yanked for a goal from the red line and Hedberg takes over leading the Nucks to the SCF...

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Until he gets yanked for a goal from the red line and Hedberg takes over leading the Nucks to the SCF...
That could happen, extremely unlikely, but as of right now, Hedberg has no chance of starting the playoff over Cloutier.

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But I wonder if that is really accurate. When Hedburg was in AHL Cleveland (formerly Kentucky) he rated very well. The problem was Toskala was a better prospect goalie (at the time) and SJ looked so strong with Nabby and Kipprusof. I was glad Hedburg went to the Pens and I am glad to see him thriving in Vancouver. He's solid, although a little acrobatic (considering he came from the SJ system).

I am wondering if you think the Moose could really challenge for the #1 in Van? Or is Cloutier the guaranteed #1 for the forseeable future?
I think if Cloutier falters he'll have a legit shot. Burkie locked onto Cloutier after a series of goaltending flip flops that had hampered the teams progress. One of the telling signs was when he didnt resign Bob Essensa (who had done a lot of good bail out jobs during Potvin's stay here) which I always viewed as insulating the incoming Cloutier from having to compete with Essensa fan popularity. Facing life with no real backup for a chunk of the season seemed to support that reasoning. Since placing Cloutier between the pipes, Burke has stood by him. Adding Hedberg seems to be a new stage of Cloutier's goaltending here in Vancouver. Up until now, hes been more or less shielded from a backup capable of holding the No. 1 role. So ya, Hedberg has a chance, but I think Clouts needs to really drop the ball. It's really Cloutier's show, and Hedberg is here to provide options if they are needed in the playoffs. Altho I do think he'll play more than past backups. That said, I sure like having him on our team

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That could happen, extremely unlikely, but as of right now, Hedberg has no chance of starting the playoff over Cloutier.
Extremely unlikely? You mean unlike the last two years?

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Extremely unlikely? You mean unlike the last two years?
When exactly was the center ice goal last year?

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Well maybe not center ice, but I'm sure you remember embarrassing moments, don't you?
Or maybe you're playing on words?

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