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06-23-2006, 07:52 AM
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Timmins: "BPA"

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20.../1002/CPSPORTS

In an interview given to La Presse, Timmins goes and say that they will not draft according to position but they will choose the best player available, especially during the first round. After that they may look to address some weaknesses. He also said that the Habs list is somewhat quite different then the Central scouting one.

Also, you can find a mock draft from the same journalist that interviewed Timmins here: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...006/CPSPORTS01

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Good, BPA is the best way to go in the first round.

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Is "BPA" - but a BPA-who-can-skate-and-isn't-a-goalie still "BPA"????

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From Godin's mock draft:

16. Montreal - Chris Summers

"Summers is a really good skater who plays with aggressivity at all times. He's a true competitor who has the ability to play forward too. He's a blue-chip prospect." - Trevor Timmins

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I always think that the term best player available BPA should be changed to highest value available. There maybe a lot of good/best players available but as a GM/team, the supply/demand factor (lots of good goalies but few centres in the whole NHL pool or versa vice), contract factor (e.g. import from Russia), UFA age factor should also be taken into account. After all the calculation with these factors then the team should go with the highest value player available. However I guess this is what they mean by BPA...

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Is "BPA" - but a BPA-who-can-skate-and-isn't-a-goalie still "BPA"????

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06-23-2006, 08:36 AM
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Is "BPA" - but a BPA-who-can-skate-and-isn't-a-goalie still "BPA"????

BPA means they'll pick who they like, can't get more general than that but it's better than saying ; The Montreal Canadiens would like to select the first d-man that comes on stage.

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06-23-2006, 08:38 AM
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Will we really draft Summers I don't know him much, and from the sound of it, his upside don't seem to be so high for the 16th pick.

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Will we really draft Summers I don't know him much, and from the sound of it, his upside don't seem to be so high for the 16th pick.
Red Line likes him a lot. I can tell you that much. I trust them more than any other scouting service out there.

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Will we really draft Summers I don't know him much, and from the sound of it, his upside don't seem to be so high for the 16th pick.
After the top 7 or 8 picks it's a crap shoot in terms of evaluating the talent in this draft, it could be that the BPA at 16 is going to be a "safe" pick like Summers.

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"agressivity"? Is that anything like agressiveness?

Don't tell me sports jocks are going to make that into a word now, like they did "physicality."
It's funny - the only athlete I've heard use the old term "physicalness" in recent yesars was Saku Koivu, a Finn. Just watch - in a few years aggressivity will suddenly be an accepted part of our lexicon.

As for trusting Red Line more than any other service....not something I'd recommend if you're looking for accurate rankings. For instance - the odds Gryba being picked by the Habs are as good as me winning this weekend's Grand Prix.

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"agressivity"? Is that anything like agressiveness?

Don't tell me sports jocks are going to make that into a word now, like they did "physicality."
It's funny - the only athlete I've heard use the old term "physicalness" in recent yesars was Saku Koivu, a Finn. Just watch - in a few years aggressivity will suddenly be an accepted part of our lexicon.

As for trusting Red Line more than any other service....not something I'd recommend if you're looking for accurate rankings. For instance - the odds Gryba being picked by the Habs are as good as me winning this weekend's Grand Prix.
I think its a quick french traduction that doesnt exist

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06-23-2006, 09:18 AM
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Will we really draft Summers I don't know him much, and from the sound of it, his upside don't seem to be so high for the 16th pick.
Here's more info:

RLR:

Summers is vastly underrated, but there's much to like about his game. Start with excellent footwork, strong hockey smarts, and good puck moving skills, and add in a nasty streak and a penchant for big hits. Summers plays the game hard and is a team-first guy at all times.

Central scouting on Summers:

Central Scouting Report: A very good skater with agility, mobility and
lateral quickness ... has very quick feet and very good balance ...
smooth and sure lateral mobility opens up passing lanes for him, creating
options for him to move the puck quickly with confidence ... a
very good passer who hits the open man ... has a good shot from the
point ... reads and anticipates the play well in the defensive zone and
is used in all game situations ... has good hockey sense and showed
his value and versatility by playing on the wing at the end of the season
... a hard worker who competes hard – will give up his body to
block shots ... plays the body well and can deliver a punishing hit ...
strong on his skates giving him leverage and power in his body
checks ... has a long reach he uses to his advantage in keeping opponents
off-balance ... a member of U.S. Under-17 Team in 2004-

-------------

He reminds me a bit of a D version of the Higgins pick. An American not too many know about but he seems to have all the tools and mental makeup needed to suceed. My only concern is why did he play forward at times, it shows that they didn't feel he was a huge crucial part of their D, but that USA team was stacked on the blueline.

Timmins calling him a ''blue chip'' prospect bolds well for his chances of being a Hab I would say, unless even more of a blue chipper is available.

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Originally Posted by turnbuckle
"agressivity"? Is that anything like agressiveness?

Don't tell me sports jocks are going to make that into a word now, like they did "physicality."
It's funny - the only athlete I've heard use the old term "physicalness" in recent yesars was Saku Koivu, a Finn. Just watch - in a few years aggressivity will suddenly be an accepted part of our lexicon.
Well, if I contributed to the use of a new hockey term, then so be it!

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As for trusting Red Line more than any other service....not something I'd recommend if you're looking for accurate rankings. For instance - the odds Gryba being picked by the Habs are as good as me winning this weekend's Grand Prix.
The Red Line rankings and their mock drafts are two totally different things. I can tell you for instance that Gryba is nowhere near the 16th spot Red Line's top-50 list... if Sasha Pokulok can be selected at #14 in a relatively solid draft crop, then I don't see how Gryba at #16 in a weaker draft is so out of this world. Not that I feel this is going to happen or anything, but you know there will be a shocking pick at some point, just like in every draft.

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Is "BPA" - but a BPA-who-can-skate-and-isn't-a-goalie still "BPA"????
Agree. That BPA theory is just a way for them to not look like fools and say that whoever is there we need d-men and we'll pick d-men because we need it. But in the end, we will look at this draft, and by pure luck.... we'll have more d-men than forwards. And by the sound of it, no goalies will be pick even though there's tons of potentiel good goalies that will be available after the 3rd round.

The BPA really exists when you're strong at any position. It's not our case so how do you expect we get some big centerman, great puck moving d-men or tough stay-at-home d-men. By trade? You mean with Ribeiro, Aebisher and Zednik....sure....

Even though Summers is beginning for quite some time now to receive some good reviews, there's no way he's the BPA at 16. If Timmins pick him, he goes beyond that ''great'' theory and try to guess his ceiling and based himself mostly on his skating. Which I won't have a problem with but I hope people will realize that the BPA theory is just there in order not to say a lot to people and to give themselves some room to breathe if the best d-men are gone or if the tall centermen are gone too.....


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06-23-2006, 10:33 AM
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I don't think we'll pick a d-man before the 3rd round. No real reason, just a hunch.

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From Godin's mock draft:

16. Montreal - Chris Summers

"Summers is a really good skater who plays with aggressivity at all times. He's a true competitor who has the ability to play forward too. He's a blue-chip prospect." - Trevor Timmins
Mehhhh.. they put Vishnevski ahead of Frolik O_o

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I don't think we'll pick a d-man before the 3rd round. No real reason, just a hunch.
That could happen too. But personnaly I see tons of d-men, if a d-men is not chosen in the 1st round it would be for Berglund, Giroux or falling top 15 prospect (Stewart, Sheppard, Frolik).

If a d-man is not chosen in the 2nd round which I doubt very much, it would be for Marcinko, Geoffrion or any other interesting forwards (that way I'm sure I'm right... )

CAN'T WAIT!!!!

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That could happen too. But personnaly I see tons of d-men, if a d-men is not chosen in the 1st round it would be for Berglund, Giroux or falling top 15 prospect (Stewart, Sheppard, Frolik).

If a d-man is not chosen in the 2nd round which I doubt very much, it would be for Marcinko, Geoffrion or any other interesting forwards (that way I'm sure I'm right... )

CAN'T WAIT!!!!
We should trade for 17th overall pick (Wild, via EDM) and draft both of a forward (Berglund, Giroux, Sheppard, Stewart MAYBE Frolik or Tlusty) and a dmen (more safe pick with Mitera or Wishart, heck, even Strait)

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Summer remind me a better Dandenault ... Do you know if he's NHL ready or need some season ?

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Summer remind me a better Dandenault ... Do you know if he's NHL ready or need some season ?
Almost anyone drafted at 16 overall will not be NHL ready. It is rare to see guys outside the top 5 make the NHL at 18. Bergeron is a huge exception.

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Summer remind me a better Dandenault ... Do you know if he's NHL ready or need some season ?
Even if we draft him and he's ready in September, he will not start in the NHL right away...the Habs will not rush a prospect anytime soon...

Latendresse is the best exemple after all...

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From Godin's mock draft:

16. Montreal - Chris Summers

"Summers is a really good skater who plays with aggressivity at all times. He's a true competitor who has the ability to play forward too. He's a blue-chip prospect." - Trevor Timmins
We I read the Draft Preview about a month ago I reported it could very well end up being Summers drafted by Montreal. He will so well the stereotype player that Timmins picks. But I would not be surprised if a big name slides. If the right one does Timmins could have a difficult decision tomorrow night.

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Or, selon toute vraisemblance, Bob Gainey ne sera pas en mesure d'améliorer suffisamment son rang afin de repêcher Derick Brassard. Quant au gardien Jonathan Bernier, il ne constitue pas une priorité en raison de la sélection de Carey Price, l'an dernier.



it said that BG is not going to trade up for Brassard .

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