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06-27-2006, 06:22 PM
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2006-07 Salaries Up On nhlpa.com

http://www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/Player...p?OIDTeam=8377

Derek Armstrong $760,000
Craig Conroy $2,394,000
Jeff Cowan $532,000
Nathan Dempsey $950,000
Alexander Frolov $2,000,000
Peter Harrold $685,000
Tom Kostopoulos $600,000
Jason LaBarbera $800,000
Aaron Miller $2,280,000
Mattias Norstrom $4,250,000
George Parros $450,000
Brent Sopel $2,400,000
Lubomir Visnovsky $1,900,000

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SO I guess that means that Armstrong and Cowan are back then?

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I love Matty but I hate looking at that 4.25

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Couple of questions...

Does Harrold have a one-way deal?

I thought Frolov's cap number was higher then 2?

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06-27-2006, 07:11 PM
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Couple of questions...

Does Harrold have a one-way deal?

I thought Frolov's cap number was higher then 2?
Harrold is on a rookie contract, which requires a two-way clause by the CBA. Because of his age, his rookie contract is for 2 years, not 3.

Frolov's cap number is $2.9m, the average of the contract over 5 years. The salary itself increases each year, so he makes $2m this year.

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These are helpful, but they're not accurate CAP numbers...

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06-27-2006, 07:55 PM
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These are helpful, but they're not accurate CAP numbers...
Those were put up on TSN a couple of weeks ago.

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"Sopel" and "Miller " are new words for "eye-sores" after looking at that info.

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Here is my current spreadsheet with updates where I could find them. I did my best to format it.

1) I’ve been told that Army’s contract became guaranteed when he hit certain incentives and that there are no team/player options.
2) Cowan’s option turned into a player option when he hit his incentives.
3) I show Parros has a team option and if they don’t exercise it, he’ll be a UFA.

And here are my questions:
1) What is Norstrom's deal? What's his cap hit? For some reason I remember it being front loaded, $4.25 mil in 06-07 and less in 07-08.
2) What was Harrold's deal? Sportsnet.ca shows him at $850k for 05-06 and nhlpa.com shows him at $685k for 06-07.
3) Why does Harrold show up in nhlpa.com but Giuliano and Petiot don't?

Code:
2006-07 Salary Cap = $44 mil		2006-07 Max Player Salary = $8.8 mil
2006-07 Salary Floor = $28 mil		2006-07 Minimum Player Salary = $??
					2006-07 Player Entry-Level Salary = $$850k (+ bonuses)
					
Under Contract	05-06		06-07		QO		Cap Figure	Contract Status
Frolov		$2,000,000	$2,000,000	 		$2,900,000	4 years (no option)
Conroy		$2,394,000	$2,394,000	 		$2,394,000	2 years (no option)
Cammalleri	$857,850	 			$900,743				RFA
Brown		$942,400	 			$989,520				RFA
Armstrong	$760,000		$760,000	 			$760,000		1 year (no option)
2nd line RW	 	 	 	 	
Avery		$532,000	 			$585,200				RFA
O'Sullivan		$800,000						$800,000		2 years
Kostopoulos	$525,000		$600,000	 			$562,500		1 year (no option)
Cowan		$532,000		$532,000	 			$532,000		1 year (player option)
Belanger		$758,100	 			$796,005				RFA
Kanko		$602,000	 			$662,200				RFA
Giuliano		$470,000	 	 	 					1 year (no option)
Parros		$450,000		$450,000	 			$450,000		1 year (team option)
Norstrom		$2,660,000	$4,250,000	 		 		2 years
Visnovsky	$1,520,000	$1,900,000			$1,824,000	2 years
Miller		$2,660,000	$2,280,000			$2,470,000	1 year (no option)
Gleason		$646,000	 			$710,600	 			RFA
Sopel		$2,400,000	$2,400,000			$2,400,000	1 year
Dempsey		$874,000		$950,000	 			$950,000		1 year (team option)
Weaver		$450,000	 			$495,000	 			RFA
Garon		$1,216,000	 		$1,216,000	 		RFA
LaBarbera	$700,000		$800,000	 			$750,000		1 year
TOTAL (23)	$24,749,350	$19,316,000	$7,195,268	$15,992,500	-$3,323,500 (cap vs actual salary)
					
Kids		05-06		06-07		QO		  Cap Figure	Contract Status
Kopitar		$765,000	 	 	 	 		 		3 years
Tukonen		$984,000	 	 	 	 		 		"multi-year"
Pushkarev	$526,000	 		  	 	 			signed 3 year deal 3/05
Clarke		$450,000	 	 	 	 	 			1 year
Roussin	 	 	 		  		 			"multi-year"
James		$460,000	 	 		$460,000	 	 		RFA
Ryan		$488,000	 	 	 	 		 		1 year (?)
Hogeboom	 	 	 		 	 	 	 	RFA
Jackman		$459,800	 			$459,800				RFA
Stephenson	 	 	 			 	 	 	2 years
Harrold		$850,000		 		$685,000	 			2 years
Petiot		$550,000	 	 	 		  	 		1 year
Wilford	 	 	 		 		 	 	 	1 year
Mormina	 	 	 	 		 			 	2 years
Brust	 	 	 	 	 				 	1 year
Munce	 	 	 		 	 			 	2 years
Fukufuji	 	 	 	 		 				1 year


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06-28-2006, 03:02 PM
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SO I guess that means that Armstrong and Cowan are back then?
Please lord no....

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They could have listed the salaries IF they have team options, assuming they are picked up.

An example, Ed Belfour's salary for next season is listed. But I believe the Leafs hold a team option which they have not exercised yet.

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Cowan and Armstrong do not fit into the new NHL. I would rather see 2 kids get ice time than those 2 clowns. If there were goals in the corners of all NHL rinks Armstrong would be a HOFer.

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Hopefully Army and Cowen will play the roles they are best at this season. Cheerleaders

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Well, Manchester could use some hard working veterans. And we know that Armstrong and Cowan didn't make it to the NHL through sheer skill.

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Those were put up on TSN a couple of weeks ago.

not accurate either. Frolov's cap number is 2.9 mil. (average of the 5 yr. deal he signed).

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not accurate either. Frolov's cap number is 2.9 mil. (average of the 5 yr. deal he signed).
My impression has been that the NHLPA site shows current year actual compensation, not the cap hit (if different).

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And here are my questions:
1) What is Norstrom's deal? What's his cap hit? For some reason I remember it being front loaded, $4.25 mil in 06-07 and less in 07-08.
2) What was Harrold's deal? Sportsnet.ca shows him at $850k for 05-06 and nhlpa.com shows him at $685k for 06-07.
3) Why does Harrold show up in nhlpa.com but Giuliano and Petiot don't?
1) Norstrom's deal was not frontloaded. Two years, $4.25M per. Norstrom's prior deal was frontloaded, though.
2) Harrold's Contract,
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Harrold signed with the Kings, a deal that included a $170,000 signing bonus, payable over two seasons, and a first-year NHL salary of $765,000 -- of which he will receive a fraction over the last few days of this season. His base pay, at the NHL level, will be $600,000 next season, with the chance to achieve bonuses that would bring his pay back to $765,000.
3) Harrold was never sent down to Manchester at the end of the season due to his ankle injury. Giuliano and Petiot were sent down.

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not accurate either. Frolov's cap number is 2.9 mil. (average of the 5 yr. deal he signed).
Looks like TSN just changed it to show the actual salaries released by the NHLPA.

Differences were:

Nathan Dempsey $912,000
Alexander Frolov $2,900,000
Peter Harrold $850,000
Tom Kostopolous $562,500
Jason LaBarbera $750,000
Aaron Miller $2,470,000
Lubomir Visnovsky $1,824,000

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I can't find "Cap Hit" information anywhere anymore. So if anyone sees it, please post it.

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1) Norstrom's deal was not frontloaded. Two years, $4.25M per. Norstrom's prior deal was frontloaded, though.
2) Harrold's Contract,3) Harrold was never sent down to Manchester at the end of the season due to his ankle injury. Giuliano and Petiot were sent down.
Thanks, more for the spreadsheet!! That's a pretty interesting contract for Harrold, sure makes it hard to track his salary and cap hit. nhlpa.com shows him at $685k for 06-07.

I don't know why I thought Norstrom's deal was front loaded.

The other ones I'm looking for are Giuliano's 06-07 salary and Hogeboom's 05-06 salary (to figure out his QO).

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I recall that Norstroms contract was 4.25 a year but because of the time frame when it was signed or something it is only 3.72 against the cap.

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I recall that Norstroms contract was 4.25 a year but because of the time frame when it was signed or something it is only 3.72 against the cap.
That was what we thought originally. But after further research it was discovered that contract extensions are considered completely new contracts and are not averaged in with the previous one.

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Since I posted this in the on-going thread at LGK...

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Harrold signed with the Kings, a deal that included a $170,000 signing bonus, payable over two seasons, and a first-year NHL salary of $765,000 -- of which he will receive a fraction over the last few days of this season. His base pay, at the NHL level, will be $600,000 next season, with the chance to achieve bonuses that would bring his pay back to $765,000.
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I have NO idea what that means his cap hit is.
Actually, at the risk of being totally wrong, I'm going to try to say that this helps us understand. The signing bonus is likely included. I'm not 100% sure it works that way for entry-level contracts, but it does work that way for NHL players under the cap rules. And the salaries count, obviously.

The bonuses don't count, from what I understand. It depends on how they're set up, I suppose, but take a look at this link:

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Originally Posted by Jaime Fitzpatrick, Pro Ice Hockey
Performance bonuses can be earned at two levels. The first level covers individual benchmarks such as goals scored, goaltender wins, and so on. The maximum a player can earn at this level is believed to be around $850,000 per year. The second level is for much rarer achievements, like winning a major NHL award or ranking among the NHL's top players in a statistical catregory. The maximum a player can earn at this level is estimated at $2 million per year. Performance bonuses under the old agreement were subject to few limits.... With some exceptions, performance bonuses are paid by the league and do not count against a team's salary cap. But they do count in calculating the league-wide share of player revenue.
So it depends on how the bonuses are set up, but if we assume that they don't count against the cap, then:
Code:
 $170K
 $765K
+$600K
$1465K

$1465K = $1.465 M
$1.465 M over 2 years = $0.7325 M cap figure
That's my guess.

If the bonuses count, then:
Code:
 $170K
 $765K
+$765K
$1700K

$1700K = $1.7 M
$1.7 M over 2 years = $0.850 M cap figure
Thoughts?

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jt, you're a freak of organization . Thanks for the info.

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And I think that’s a fine calculation. The thing I don’t understand is how a partial season factors into it. It seems to me that the CBA would not intend for all $600,000 of a contract to count in the cap hit calculation when that contract is signed on, say, March 10th and the player is paid only 1/7th of it (1 month out of 7 in the regular season). That may be what actually happens but can that be the intent? Maybe. Of course, there are all the different caps involved too and that complicates things even more.

As for the bonuses, I seem to recall that the intent was whether they were “reasonably achievable” or not. If they were then they’d count against this season’s cap. If not then they wouldn’t but if the player hit them, they’d count against the next season’s cap. Whether the CBA was written with this ambiguity I don’t know. I haven’t had time to sit down and read the 4 million pages yet.

Ah, what fun the cap is!!!

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Yep, what can I say? I've gotta know what the numbers are and the ONLY way to do it right is to do it yourself.

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Michigan Wolverine......there are indeed 2 types of bonuses for rookies. But Jaime Fitzpatrick either mis-stated or is confused by the league paid bonuses.

For rookies there are 2 levels of bonuses.

Schedule "A" and Schedule "B" bonuses.

Schedule "A" bonuses are for a player achieving modest goals like 20 goals scored or 65 games played.....etc. The most a player can make in this group is $850,000(a maximum of $212,500 per achieved benchmark). These bonuses are agreed upon before the contract is signed and WILL count against the cap. Even if they are not accomplished.

Then their is Schedule "B" bonuses. This is for winning rookie of the year or the goal scoring title....etc. These will be paid by the league and will not count against the cap.

But a team can also negotiate Schedule "B" bonuses with a player and these are known as "excess individual B bonuses". The requirements are the same. Rookie of the Year, Goal Scoring Title....etc. But the team pays on top of what the league has already paid the player. These bonuses are agreed upon before the contract is signed and WILL count against the cap. Even if they are not accomplished.

Several rookies have signed Schedule "A" bonus contracts. Only a few (if any) have signed "excess individual B bonus" contracts. They are usually reserved for "elite" rookies. Like Ovechkin or Crosby.

I am 99% sure that Harrold's contract is a Schedule "A" contract and his bonuses will count against the cap. Regardless if he achieves them.

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