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06-28-2006, 02:22 PM
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restricted free agent theft GET READY

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"It's only going to take one," said a league source. "If one team decides to take the leap and sign a restricted free agent, then it might be the kind of thing that opens the floodgates and gets more teams involved."




Now, under Exhibit 15 of the CBA, agents for restricted players are allowed to open discussions with teams.

That means players like Ottawa's Martin Havlat, Jason Spezza, Ray Emery and Peter Schaefer -- who all require compensation if they were to sign elsewhere -- are allowed to see if anybody might be willing to take a chance with a Group II offer.

This new twist in the CBA is there to try and entice owners into signing players as restricted free agents. In the past, teams were forced to give up five first round draft picks, but that's not the case anymore.

For example, if the Sharks wanted to sign Havlat as a restricted free agent in the neighbourhood of $4 million (all terms US) a season, all it would cost them is No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 draft pick.

Yes, it sounds like a lot, but in reality it isn't. In the case of the Sharks, it means they could keep goalie Vesa Toskala and not have to give him up in trade to acquire Havlat from Ottawa.


Of course, the team signing Havlat would insist that he accept a five-year deal because it doesn't make sense to give up all that and then let him walk away at the end of next season.

The Senators would also have the right to match any offer given to Havlat -- or any of their other restricted free agents for that matter -- but it might cost the club more than it wants to spend.

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Good Place To Start Is In New Jersey Then Head To Colorado !!! both in cap trouble


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I am convinced this will happen.

There are idiot GMs out there, they will rise to the occasion.

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I am convinced this will happen.

There are idiot GMs out there, they will rise to the occasion.

Ii talked about this months ago ... everyone brushed it off but as you say it only goona take the one gm and booom game on.

the blackhawks my first target lets target vandemeer and ruuttu

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Good Place To Start Is In New Jersey Then Head To Colorado !!!


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Personally I'd start in Boston with PATRICE BERGERON. If they are willing to offer MSL $5M. Let's get Bergeron's name on an offer sheet.

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Say a team is looking for a center , they offer 4,9M to Spezza(or Bergeron). Ottawa is angry and MUST match it because the compensation will only be a 2 1st round pick and a 3rd ( if im not mistaken)

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Ii talked about this months ago ... everyone brushed it off but as you say it only goona take the one gm and booom game on.

the blackhawks my first target lets target vandemeer and ruuttu
You must pray on the weak (CAP limited, or cash limited)

CAP limited: Philly, Detroit, Ottawa, NJ

Cash limited: Boston (?)

Is there a full list of RFAS somewhere on these boards? (am looking)

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I think it's more likely that the threat of RFA theft will be an incentive to trade high quality RFAs. I still think it's doubtful that we'll see a lot of outright theft.

For example, Ottawa is over a barrel with Havlat.

Team X is ready to pay him 4.5 million, which is far more than Ottawa is willing to spend.

Team X is willing to trade player A or lose the picks for Havlat, neither of which are good enough for Ottawa (or maybe the offer is good enough but for the fact that Team X is a division or conference rival).

Team Y is also willing to pay 4.5 million for Havlat. They would rather keep their picks, and are offering players B and C for a signed Havlat, which Ottawa likes more than the picks or player A from Team X.

So Team X makes the offer sheet, Ottawa matches, and then trades Havlat to Team Y.

It's pretty convoluted, but I still think this is a more likely scenario than an outright theft of a player that the rights holding team wants to hold on to.

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Personally I'd start in Boston with PATRICE BERGERON. If they are willing to offer MSL $5M. Let's get Bergeron's name on an offer sheet.
Old Jacobs would have a heart attack old harry would need immodium.

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I think it's more likely that the threat of RFA theft will be an incentive to trade high quality RFAs. I still think it's doubtful that we'll see a lot of outright theft.

For example, Ottawa is over a barrel with Havlat.

Team X is ready to pay him 4.5 million, which is far more than Ottawa is willing to spend.

Team X is willing to trade player A or lose the picks for Havlat, neither of which are good enough for Ottawa (or maybe the offer is good enough but for the fact that Team X is a division or conference rival).

Team Y is also willing to pay 4.5 million for Havlat. They would rather keep their picks, and are offering players B and C for a signed Havlat, which Ottawa likes more than the picks or player A from Team X.

So Team X makes the offer sheet, Ottawa matches, and then trades Havlat to Team Y.

It's pretty convoluted, but I still think this is a more likely scenario than an outright theft of a player that the rights holding team wants to hold on to.
The Habs could offer players or picks either way.

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If division rivals start picking at each other it couuld get ugly...

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Does anyone have interrest for Joni Piktanen who is RFA???? because i don't think philadelphia plans to signhim for 4 milions.

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Avs RFAs: Svatos and Liles.

Avs are in CAP hell right now...lol

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Avs RFAs: Svatos and Liles.

Avs are in CAP hell right now...lol
This certainly introduces a few new strategies for GM's to utilize. I'd LOVE to get a guy like Bergeron...but you know Boston would match it.

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What is someone is interested in our Markov or Ryder? They make so little, would that make it less of a draft pick payment on their part?

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This certainly introduces a few new strategies for GM's to utilize. I'd LOVE to get a guy like Bergeron...but you know Boston would match it.

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yeah but as to****o described it. It would be fun.


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Old Jacobs would have a heart attack old harry would need immodium.
I bet some Bruins fans would actually be willing to part with Bergeron if it meant that Jacobs fell over dead.

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What is someone is interested in our Markov or Ryder? They make so little, would that make it less of a draft pick payment on their part?
Markov is not a UFA. But if someone offered 3M$ offer sheet to Ryder, either
-we match that offer to keep Ryder
-we let Ryder go and recieve draft picks as compensation

RFA compensation in new CBA:

0.6M$ or lower = nothing
0.66-1.0M$ = 3rd round pick
1-2M$ = 2nd round pick
2-3M$ = 1rst & 3rd picks
3-4M$ = 1rst & 2nd & 3rd
4-5M$ = two 1rst & 2nd & 3rd
5M$+ = four 1rst

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If a team wanna Ryder at 3M We must let him go! A first and 3rd rounder for this player it's awesome.

I like the new compensation. Before it was just crazy to sign a player but now it cost a lot but it's still abordable.

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What is someone is interested in our Markov or Ryder? They make so little, would that make it less of a draft pick payment on their part?
There will be. GMs are expected to compete off the ice as well as on the ice. It isnt a zero sum game.

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You must pray on the weak (CAP limited, or cash limited)

CAP limited: Philly, Detroit, Ottawa, NJ

Cash limited: Boston (?)

Is there a full list of RFAS somewhere on these boards? (am looking)

The bible of Free agents every year.

http://www.geocities.com/floridapant.../free2006.html

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I think it's more likely that the threat of RFA theft will be an incentive to trade high quality RFAs. I still think it's doubtful that we'll see a lot of outright theft.

For example, Ottawa is over a barrel with Havlat.

Team X is ready to pay him 4.5 million, which is far more than Ottawa is willing to spend.

Team X is willing to trade player A or lose the picks for Havlat, neither of which are good enough for Ottawa (or maybe the offer is good enough but for the fact that Team X is a division or conference rival).

Team Y is also willing to pay 4.5 million for Havlat. They would rather keep their picks, and are offering players B and C for a signed Havlat, which Ottawa likes more than the picks or player A from Team X.

So Team X makes the offer sheet, Ottawa matches, and then trades Havlat to Team Y.

It's pretty convoluted, but I still think this is a more likely scenario than an outright theft of a player that the rights holding team wants to hold on to.

How long do you have to keep the player if you match a RFA offer sheet? For some reason I thought you couldn't deal him for an entire season.

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Personally I'd start in Boston with PATRICE BERGERON. If they are willing to offer MSL $5M. Let's get Bergeron's name on an offer sheet.
He won't come to Montreal. I can guarentee this.

My source: my friend is friend's with him.

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I like all the players Ottawa are having , both UFA and RFA ;

What is your choices ,

Charra UFA ,
Spezza , Havlat or Vermette as RFA !

How we would be a better team !

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Wouldn't work with Bergeron. Bruins have a ton of space under the cap to work with this summer. Their biggest problem is going to be finding guys who are willing to take their money.

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