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06-28-2006, 06:11 PM
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Greatest eligible NHL players not in Hall of Fame

Just throwing out some names of players that are eligible right now. Most of these shouldn't and won't get in, but I would certainly vote for the players in red.

Anderson, Glenn RW 1980-96
Backstrom, Ralph C 1956-73
Barrasso, Tom G 1983-2003
Brewer, Carl D 1957-80
Bure, Pavel RW 1991-2003
Cain, Herb LW 1933-46
Carbonneau, Guy C 1980-2000
Carlyle, Randy D 1976-93
Carr, Lorne RW 1933-46
Chabot, Lorne G 1926-37
Ciccarelli, Dino RW 1980-99
Cleghorn, Odie RW/C 1918-28
Crawford, Jack D 1937-50
Crozier, Roger G 1963-77
Denneny, Corb C 1917-28
Dillon, Cecil RW 1930-40
Gare, Danny RW 1974-87
Gilmour, Doug C 1983-2003
Goldham, Bob D 1941-56
Hextall, Ron G 1986-99
Hitchman, Lionel D 1922-34
Hodge, Charlie G 1954-71
Hodge, Ken RW 1964-78
Hollett, Flash D 1933-46
Housley, Phil D 1982-2003
Howe, Mark D 1979-95
Kerr, Dave G 1930-41
Kerr, Tim RW 1980-93
Larmer, Steve RW 1980-95
Larouche, Pierre C 1974-88
Leach, Reggie RW 1970-83
Lowe, Kevin D 1979-98
Marshall, Don LW 1951-72
Martin, Rick LW 1971-82
McKenney, Don C 1954-68
Middleton, Rick RW 1974-88
Mohns, Doug LW/D 1953-75
Moog, Andy G 1980-98
Mortson, Gus D 1946-59
Nicholls, Bernie C 1981-99
O’Reilly, Terry RW 1971-85
Pavelich, Marty LW 1947-57
Propp, Brian LW 1979-94
Provost, Claude RW 1955-70
Randall, Ken RW/D 1917-27
Richter, Mike G 1988-2003
Roach, John Ross G 1921-35
Simmer, Charlie LW 1974-88
Smith, Sid LW 1946-58
Stevens, Kevin LW 1987-2002
Stewart, Gaye LW 1941-54
Talbot, Jean-Guy D 1954-71
Thompson, Paul LW 1926-39
Thomson, Jimmy D 1945-58
Tonelli, John LW 1978-92
Tremblay, J.C. D 1959-72
Turner, Bob D 1955-63
Unger, Garry C 1967-83
Vachon, Rogie G 1966-82
Vaive, Rick RW 1979-92
Vanbiesbrouck, John G 1981-2002
Verbeek, Pat RW 1982-2002
Vernon, Mike G 1982-2002
Wharram, Kenny RW 1951-69
White, Bill D 1967-76
Wilson, Doug D 1977-93

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06-28-2006, 07:58 PM
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Thanks for the list.

Agree with most votes. Ron Hextall and Kevin Lowe should get in too imo.

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An excellent effort, bluesfan. You're one of the best additions to these forums in 2006. (And I'm not an easy person to impress).

A lot of similarities with the also excellent Hall of the Very Good compiled by cup2006sensrule.

A few observations:

*If I had to list in order by position, it would be:
-Goalie: Vachon, Vernon, Barasso, Moog, Chabot, Richter (I think Bill Ranford should be on the list).
I'd put Vachon and Vernon as guys who should definitely be inducted, with Barasso hinging on a very tight borderline.
-Defence: Howe, Tremblay, Brewer, Wilson, Hollett, Talbot, Lowe, Carlyle, Housley, Thomson.
I think Howe and Tremblay would be in the HHOF if not for their WHA affiliations. Brewer would be there if he wasn't so outspoken. Those three guys belong. Wilson would have made it if he could have stayed healthy. I will never, ever, give one inkling of support for Phil Housley's HHOF chances.
-Centre: Gilmour, Nichols, Carbonneau, Backstrom, Denneny, Claghorn.
Guaranteed that Gilmour gets in within the next five years. Everyone with 1,400 points and top 10 (heck even top 20) in playoff scoring is in or will be in. Dougie's a lock. When ClassicHockey said expect a surprise, Carbonneau immediately came to mind. Backstrom's not far behind Carbo. Even though he's reviled by many, I think the charter member of the 1,000 point/3,000 PIM club (Dale Hunter deserves a spot. So does hockey's ironman, Doug Jarvis.
-Left wing: Martin, Propp, Stewart, Pavelich, Mohns, Tonelli. If Martin had Neely's track record for playoff success, Martin would be in the HHOF, too. Propp's one of the best money LWs of all-time. He might be in the HHOF with a 2-3 or 3-2 record in the Cup final instead of 0-3. Defensive aces Craig Ramsay and Esa Tikannen warrant a mention, too.
-Right wing: Lots of options here: Anderson, Dino, Bure, Larmer, Leach, Dillon, Provost, Kerr.
I take it Makarov, the best eligible player not in the HHOF (although I might now change that to Gilmour) is not considered an "NHL Player?" I think Anderson will get in eventually. I think Provost should be there, too. I'm a big Steve Larmer fan, but he falls short.

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I think Tonelli may be the most underrated player in that list. He did a lot of great things. His biggest problem was playing in the shadows of Bossy, Trottier, Potvin, Smith and Gilies for a lot of his career.

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06-28-2006, 09:53 PM
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From the list posted above and without much reflexion - Brewer, Bure, Chabot, Gilmour, Howe, Provost and Tremblay among the men in red.

Would also love to see Ralph Backstrom in there. Would also like to see what kind of numbers he'd have put up if he wasn't playing behind Beliveau and Richard.

And a sentimental favourite, one of the few legitimate role models hockey has ever produced, Herb Carnegie.

Dick Duff's selection gives me hope that perhaps a few more of the guys who grew the game might get the recognition they deserve.

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An excellent effort, bluesfan. You're one of the best additions to these forums in 2006. (And I'm not an easy person to impress).
Thanks.
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Vachon, Vernon, Barasso, Moog, Chabot, Richter (I think Bill Ranford should be on the list).
Yeah I guess Ranford could be on the list, but I think of him as having only one great season.
I can't believe Chabot isn't in. He was even named as one of the Top 100 players of all time.
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I will never, ever, give one inkling of support for Phil Housley's HHOF chances.
I know he wasn't too good defensively, but he was one of the greatest offensive defenseman ever.
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Gilmour, Nichols, Carbonneau, Backstrom, Denneny, Claghorn.
Yeah I guess I would vote for Nicholls, he's underrated. Carbonneau I'm not sure, I don't think of him as a Hall of Famer. I have no idea why Denneny and Cleghorn aren't in, their brothers are in, and they should be in too, they were consistently near the top in scoring.
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Defensive aces Craig Ramsay and Esa Tikannen warrant a mention, too.
Yeah since I mentioned Pavelich I should have mentioned them too.
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-Right wing: Lots of options here: Anderson, Dino, Bure, Larmer, Leach, Dillon, Provost, Kerr.
I take it Makarov, the best eligible player not in the HHOF (although I might now change that to Gilmour) is not considered an "NHL Player?"
I have no idea why Provost isn't in. Dillon is more deserving than some players who are in, for example, Bun Cook.
I don't know enough about non-NHL players. Makarov played in the NHL and was good, but he deserves to be in the Hall for his non-NHL career.

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Housley will be in. Seven 20 goal seasons, 1495 GP, 1232 Pts overshadows any defensive flaws.

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i definitely think bure should go in.

it wouldn't bother me if housley got in, but he's more of the larry murphy class imo (very good player with long career) instead of a superstar.

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Just throwing out some names of players that are eligible right now. Most of these shouldn't and won't get in, but I would certainly vote for the players in red.

Anderson, Glenn RW 1980-96
Backstrom, Ralph C 1956-73
Barrasso, Tom G 1983-2003
Brewer, Carl D 1957-80
Bure, Pavel RW 1991-2003
Cain, Herb LW 1933-46
Carbonneau, Guy C 1980-2000
Carlyle, Randy D 1976-93
Carr, Lorne RW 1933-46
Chabot, Lorne G 1926-37
Ciccarelli, Dino RW 1980-99
Cleghorn, Odie RW/C 1918-28
Crawford, Jack D 1937-50
Crozier, Roger G 1963-77
Denneny, Corb C 1917-28
Dillon, Cecil RW 1930-40
Gare, Danny RW 1974-87
Gilmour, Doug C 1983-2003
Goldham, Bob D 1941-56
Hextall, Ron G 1986-99
Hitchman, Lionel D 1922-34
Hodge, Charlie G 1954-71
Hodge, Ken RW 1964-78
Hollett, Flash D 1933-46
Housley, Phil D 1982-2003
Howe, Mark D 1979-95
Kerr, Dave G 1930-41
Kerr, Tim RW 1980-93
Larmer, Steve RW 1980-95
Larouche, Pierre C 1974-88
Leach, Reggie RW 1970-83
Lowe, Kevin D 1979-98
Marshall, Don LW 1951-72
Martin, Rick LW 1971-82
McKenney, Don C 1954-68
Middleton, Rick RW 1974-88
Mohns, Doug LW/D 1953-75
Moog, Andy G 1980-98
Mortson, Gus D 1946-59
Nicholls, Bernie C 1981-99
O’Reilly, Terry RW 1971-85
Pavelich, Marty LW 1947-57
Propp, Brian LW 1979-94
Provost, Claude RW 1955-70
Randall, Ken RW/D 1917-27
Richter, Mike G 1988-2003
Roach, John Ross G 1921-35
Simmer, Charlie LW 1974-88
Smith, Sid LW 1946-58
Stevens, Kevin LW 1987-2002
Stewart, Gaye LW 1941-54
Talbot, Jean-Guy D 1954-71
Thompson, Paul LW 1926-39
Thomson, Jimmy D 1945-58
Tonelli, John LW 1978-92
Tremblay, J.C. D 1959-72
Turner, Bob D 1955-63
Unger, Garry C 1967-83
Vachon, Rogie G 1966-82
Vaive, Rick RW 1979-92
Vanbiesbrouck, John G 1981-2002
Verbeek, Pat RW 1982-2002
Vernon, Mike G 1982-2002
Wharram, Kenny RW 1951-69
White, Bill D 1967-76
Wilson, Doug D 1977-93
Of those guys, IMO the following deserve to go in:

1) Glenn Anderson - #4 all-time playoff scorer gets you in.
2) Pavel Bure - most explosive player ever to lace up skates, led league in goals 3 times.
3) Guy Carbonneau - 2nd-best defensive forward post-expansion after Gainey.
4) Doug Gilmour - 1400 points from a Selke-calibre center. Multiple times top-5 in scoring.
5) Mark Howe - top-5 defender throughout the 1980s. Only player in the modern era aside from Red Kelly to be an elite player at both forward and defense.
6) JC Tremblay - along with Howe, the best defender not in.
7) Sergei Makarov - top-5 forward in the world throughout the 1980s.

It's a crime that Dick Duff was selected ahead of any of those guys. This season was a perfect opportunity to get 1 or 2 of them in. Certainly won't be happening for a couple years now at least.

Lorne Chabot seems like a guy who could go in, but I'm not familiar enough with him or the era to give a definative opinion. Vachon, Vernon, Barrasso, and the under-rated Moog all deserve consideration.

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i definitely think bure should go in.

it wouldn't bother me if housley got in, but he's more of the larry murphy class imo (very good player with long career) instead of a superstar.
Housley's not in Murphy's class. Murphy was a three-time post-season all-star. Housley did it once. Murphy played a solid defensive game in addition to his offensive output. Housley did not. And, most importantly, Murphy was a fine playoff performer. Housley was not.

Larry Murphy is one of only a few players since the end of the Original Six to win back-to-back Cups with different organizations. He was arguably Pittsburgh's best defenceman in 1991 and 1992. (Keep in mind that Coffey missed much of the 1991 playoffs with a serious eye injury). He was not the best for Detroit, but he was that last missing piece for Detroit in 1997, and he was fantastic for the Wings in 1998. He had several other quality post-seasons, too.

Housley's playoff record? 56 points in 85 games, well below his point pace for most of his career. I know he was on some pretty mediocre teams, but he was not a playoff performer. The furthest he ever advanced was the Cup final in 1998 with Washington. He was so good that Washington waived him after the season. (He did have a couple of good seasons with Calgary after that, so don't give me the "he was washed up" routine.

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Personally, I think only Dino and Rick Martin should get in from this list. I love Houseley, but he was another of the guys in the "Hall of Very Good". Bure will get in when he becomes eligible. He didn't officially retire until this season, so he is not eligible for 3 more years. Martin was the best left wing in the game for 5 or 6 seasons, until his injury. Then he was merely very good. Much like a Neely, only he STARTED out great and became very good. Neely was good, then after 4 years became very good for 4 years.

Dino not being in is ridiculous. The guy scored almost as many goals as Bobby Hull! Sure, they weren't always spectacular, but he was effective. And for much of the 80's, he was one of the most feared scorers in the NHL.

I'm just an advocate of the HHOF being a VERY exclusive club, not the way it is now. I don't think 6 or 7 players in there have any right to be as it is, and more are apparently on the way. But if they keep lowering the standards like this, I would like to see Gilmour get in. He was a fun player to watch for a few years.

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Bure will get in when he becomes eligible. He didn't officially retire until this season, so he is not eligible for 3 more years.
Oh crap, I didn't know that, I thought he was eligible now.

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Bure will get in when he becomes eligible. He didn't officially retire until this season, so he is not eligible for 3 more years.
He is eligible. They changed it to 3 years after last game played.

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Mike Ramsey- Best pure shut down defenseman in the 80's/early 90's. They used to put these guys in but now its all about Offense, Offense, Offense.

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Mike Ramsey?

This is getting silly.

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I'm surprised Vachon isn't already in.

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Mike Ramsey?

This is getting silly.
Although to be fair, he's pretty much a carbon copy of Kevin Lowe with a nearly identical career in exactly the same time period (minus the Cup rings) and Lowe gets a fair bit of HHOF support.

That said, Ramsey will never ever get into the HHOF.

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Gilmour and Vernon for me.

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It always surprises me the lack of support that Tom Barrasso generally receives when these things are discussed.

1). In his own way, he was a pioneer. He jumped directly into the NHL from Acton-boxborough high school in 1983. How many goalies jump directly from Junior hockey into the NHL, let alone American high school, and end up being rookie of the year and sharing the Vezina trophy?

2. First American goalie to post 300 wins and only the 14th in NHL history (at that time) to achieve it.

3). Two Stanley cups and in the top 15 all time in career wins.

When it comes to hall of fame consideration, goalies often seem like pitchers in baseball, basically under represented.

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He is eligible. They changed it to 3 years after last game played.
Oh so he is eligible.

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It always surprises me the lack of support that Tom Barrasso generally receives when these things are discussed.
I think Barrasso should be a Hall of Famer. 1st All-Star Team once, 2nd All-Star Team twice, a Vezina, Calder winner, and starting Goaltender on 2 Stanley Cup winning teams.

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Mike Ramsey? Oh I think I'm going to be sick! And I'll faint the day Phil Housley's name is there with the likes of Bobby Orr. Mike Richter? Since when does one great season and one "good" season ('97) get you in there? Rick Martin would be in there already if he hadnt of ended his career prematurely. But I wont put him in the way Neely got in.

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Very good list.

The following guys would get my vote:
Doug Gilmour
Tom Barrasso (even though I don't like him )
Mark Howe
Glenn Anderson
Guy Carbonneau (if Gainey's in, he should be, too)
Richard Martin

Honourable mentions to Pavel Bure, Mike Vernon, and Rogie Vachon.

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