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What would it take from Ottawa to get Elias?

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11-10-2003, 04:16 PM
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hahahahaahahahaha

oh your serious?

In that case NO!!!

Brodeur is arguably the best goaltender in the league, is clutch (3 Stanley Cups, 1 gold medal), and has finally gotten that monkey off his back with a Vezina. Lalime might challenge for the Vezina but he has proven nothing to me so far. Broduer will break at least of few more of Patrick Roy's records before all is said and done.

I know, it was making a point. There is about as much chance of that happening as there is of Hossa for Elias +.

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While purely hypothetical, those kinds of numbers wouldn't replace Hossa's production, and that's just offensively.
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Maybe, maybe not, The A-line was the first time Elias had ever played with first line talent and the players that the Senators could play along side Elias would be much better than Arnott and Sykora. He would be down right scary and you can not deny that.

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I know, it was making a point. There is about as much chance of that happening as there is of Hossa for Elias +.
There is no chance of ANY trade between the two teams. This is based purely on value. However the gap between Broduer and Lalime is wider than the gap between Hossa and Elias.

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Maybe, maybe not, The A-line was the first time Elias had ever played with first line talent and the players that the Senators could play along side Elias would be much better than Arnott and Sykora. He would be down right scary and you can not deny that.

I dunno. Arnott and Sykora were pretty damned good for N.J. before Lou banished them. That line was only true reason to watch the team.

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11-10-2003, 09:00 PM
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Ok Ozzy. We are no longer the poverty child of the league, Melnyk will not shy from signing him. If the flames can afford Iginla the sens can definately afford Hossa. Those in glass houses shall not through stones.
Oh yeah, Spanky? Prove it. If you could barely sign Havlat, then what makes you think you'll be able to afford someone who will likely try and command Bertuzzi - Iginla money when his contract is up? Let's see you walk the walk.

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Oh yeah, Spanky? Prove it. If you could barely sign Havlat, then what makes you think you'll be able to afford someone who will likely try and command Bertuzzi - Iginla money when his contract is up? Let's see you walk the walk.

Talk is cheap.
LMFAO as if playoff tickets for the Flames

Sens will have no trouble signing Hossa and no they wouldn't trade Hossa for Igilna and a 2nd rounder either lmfao

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A hot start 13 games into the season isn't enough to wipe out two years of consistent under-achieving.
your a fantasy gm, right? you should differ between your fantasy league and the NHL.

in your fantasy league, a defensive resposible player putting up only medicore numbers but wins a cup is a underachiver (Elias). a player putting up 50 goals and 100+ points with +/- 2 rating and a 2nd round playoff extit is a great performer (Bertuzzi). i agree on that! but in the real NHL its exactly the other way round!

got it?

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Firstoff, Ottawa and NJ are never doing any major deals as long as they are both fighting for the conference title. Secondly, if Ottawa would want Elias they wouldn't want to trade Havlat because him and Elias are best friends I believe and would probably make great linemates. Value wise, I think Chara would do.

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11-11-2003, 01:33 AM
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If you could barely sign Havlat, then what makes you think you'll be able to afford someone who will likely try and command Bertuzzi - Iginla money when his contract is up?
The difficult negociations between Havlat and the Sens were not due to lack of money. They could have signed him for more per season if needed. No problems there.

Rather, they used the leverage they had. The guy was not going in arbitration and the Sens felt they had the depth needed to let the guy rot if needed. Financially, they played their cards in a *perfect way*.

It's kind of weird for you to try to use an example of smart financial management to put question marks on the Senators financially.

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11-11-2003, 07:43 AM
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Get your facts straight before you start throwing around accusations.

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Ooh, tough guy. Yeah, let me go spend a few hours trying to dig up threads that might be deleted; maybe in Ontario you have that kind of time. Why don't you reply to the rest of the post? Oh yeah, because your offer was retarded.

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Whatever your grievance against RoyIsALegend, I think you are really exaggerating when you say that Madden and Gomez are better than Bonk. To add that Larionov is just as good as Bonk is gratuitous nonsense.
Madden is better than Bonk, there should be no debate about that. If you contend that, let me know and I'll argue it. Madden was probably the single most important forward for the Devils last year in the regular season and in the playoffs, with Langenbrunner right with him.

As for Gomez, look at the numbers. Bonk scored 54 points last year, playing with one of Alfredsson, Hossa, or Halvlat at all times, and usually with two of them on the powerplay. Gomez, scored 55 points playing with no regular linemates, and even demoted to the fourth line at times. In the 4 years that Gomez has been in the NHL, Bonk has outscored him exactly one time: 2001-2002, which happened to be Bonk's best year of his career, and Gomez' worst year of his career. Oh yeah, Gomez is almost 4 years younger than Bonk and obviously cheaper.

On to Larionov. In the last two years, playing a small role for the Red Wings (mostly 3rd, 4th line ice time) Larionov has managed to score at about a 50 point pace (43 points in 70 games) so far, for the low scoring Devils, Larionov has 5 points in 9 games. Keep in mind that he gets less Ice time than Gomez and Madden, and is mainly used as a powerplay specialist (NJ's powerplay was the worst in the league last year) considering the role that Larionov plays, and how well he plays it, I don't think that Bonk would contribute a whole heck of alot more.


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Although the trade would never happen between the two rivals, Bonk would excel in New Jersey -- he would be as dominant as Holik was, but with a little less aggresion and a little more scoring.

Even if you think that Madden and Gomez are better than Bonk, I strongly doubt that Burns and Lamoriello would agree.
That's a joke. Holik was a 50-60 point producer as a shutdown center. He was an agitator, and the only guy we had to counter guys like Sundin and Lindros. Bonk is a 50-60 point producer with far more talented linemates. His job is to score. Bonk would be nothing close to Holik in NJ. Just because Holik is overpaid, don't forget that he was an incredibly effective center in NJ.

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I dunno. Arnott and Sykora were pretty damned good for N.J. before Lou banished them. That line was only true reason to watch the team.

If banished means traded for tougher and and more team oriented players then yes, they were banished. You're right, watching a team win Cups is absolutely no fun. Watching the Devs win over the Sens in seven was sooooo boring, hate those kind of games....It's just so awful to watch a team like the Devils nightin and night out...You picking up on my sarcasm...good cause I'm laying it on pretty thick.

Rule A for posting = Almost every team in the NHL plays the trap.

Rule B for posting = the Devils are consistently one of the least penalized teams in the NHL..thus they are not the worst offenders of clutch and grab hockey...let's get over these stereotypes.

Rule C = Just so everyone knows...the Devils led the league in scoring in 2000 and were still called boring...

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2 and a half years younger means squat.

Hossa makes 2.75 while Elias makes 4.7

2 million in the differnce is more then I thought it was.

Elias, Pihlman, 4th
Hossa

Thats my new offer
Hmmm...I wouldn't do this deal if I were LL.

Elias has proven he can play in a defense only system. He has proven he can be an offensive leader. He has proven he can help a team win Cups. He's not over the hill, he makes good money for what he brings to the table...

As long as Brodeur is in NJ, they are Cup contenders. You know that Elias can be a big part of this and can handle the system. Why mess with that?

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11-11-2003, 12:39 PM
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The difficult negociations between Havlat and the Sens were not due to lack of money. They could have signed him for more per season if needed. No problems there.

Rather, they used the leverage they had. The guy was not going in arbitration and the Sens felt they had the depth needed to let the guy rot if needed. Financially, they played their cards in a *perfect way*.

It's kind of weird for you to try to use an example of smart financial management to put question marks on the Senators financially.
Ozzy are you there? Can you read this?? Looks like someone beat me to the punch. I know the sens have not been on the up and up financially, but god man, you are a flames fan don't be dising the sens on financial matters, ass clown

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