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07-03-2006, 10:05 PM
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OT: Pronger-Neidermayer best defensive pairing ever?

Assuming they will be a pair, which is unlikely. A case could be made for them, no?

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Come on, man. The Habs had a better pairing in the good ol' 70's.

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using pronger as an example, what about Pronger and al macinnis??

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MacInnis was older by then, but I think Prong-Neids bring more diversity/speed.

There's also Stevens/Neids, but they were kept under wraps.

Robinson-Savard, but Savard was no Neidermayer.

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Come on, man. The Habs had a better pairing in the good ol' 70's.
That's the way I see it too.

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Orr-Park was pretty good...

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MacInnis was older by then, but I think Prong-Neids bring more diversity/speed.

There's also Stevens/Neids, but they were kept under wraps.

Robinson-Savard, but Savard was no Neidermayer.
They are among the best for sure.

Zubov/Leeach were absolutely amazing in 93-94, maybe not the best pair ever but really dominant.

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07-03-2006, 10:28 PM
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Orr-Park was pretty good...
They didn't play together. Park went to Boston after Orr was done. Orr's partner was Dallas Smith, a solid stay-at-home guy.

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07-03-2006, 10:34 PM
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There have been some dandies:

Harvey Johnson
Clapper Shore
Gadsby Kelly
Kelly Pronovost
Robinson Lapointe
Robinson Savard
Potvin Morrow
Park Bourque
Coffey Huddy
Stevens Langway
Fetisov Kasatonov
McInnis Suter
Blake Foote
McInnis Pronger
Stevens Neidermayer
Chelios Lidstrom
Orr and whomever, usually Awrey

Park and Orr played together for a few games in the 75-76 season. Imagine if Orr had maintained his health? Those two would have been the greatest pair ever without question IMO.

We'll see how the pairing goes, or if they even play together, but several of thoseduos may be tough to beat.

If Pronger and Neidermayer are both named as first or second-team all-star defencemen next season, and they do it again once or twice, then perhaps. Johnson and Harvey did it a couple of times, as did Savard and Robinson once. Clapper and Shore I'm sure did as well in the late 30's. One wins the Norris and the other is named one of the top four defencemen, then it's debatable I suppose.

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Robinson was FAR better than Pronger ever will be.

And while Neidermayer is a much better offensive defenceman than Savard, Big Serge had no equal when it came to neutralizing an opponent one on one. Serge was the best at playing the containment game. Neidermayer is not the best in the business in that department.

My Savard-Robison tandem would kick your tandem's azzz. Both physically and tactically.

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Robinson was FAR better than Pronger ever will be.

And while Neidermayer is a much better offensive defenceman than Savard, Big Serge had no equal when it came to neutralizing an opponent one on one. Serge was the best at playing the containment game. Neidermayer is not the best in the business in that department.

My Savard-Robison tandem would kick your tandem's azzz. Both physically and tactically.
I agree that no way Neidermayer today is any more dominant than Serge was in his day. Obviously Nieds is a faster skater and soemtimes outpoints Serge (not always), but nowhere else is he superior to what Serge brought; one of the craftiest and most positionally sound defencemen ever was Serge.

As for Robinson being far better than Pronger - for his time I suppose he was considered a little more dominant than Pronger, but it's closer than you state I think. Pronger isn't as flashy with the end-to-end rushes, nor the unquestioned most physical defenceman of his era (Chara and Stevens), and not as consistent offensively or as smart when it comes to taking needless penalties - but he's close. Similar defencemen in a lot of ways.

Orr and Park played together for 10 games in 75-76.

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Bobby Orr / Whoever was his linematre was better !!

But anytime you get 2 of the best 5 D's in the league on the same team you good a really good case it happened a couple years ago : Stevens/Nidermayer .. Coffey/Lidstrom and Blake/Bourque . So unless they get Anaheim a couple chanpionship i dont want to hear about it

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They didn't play together. Park went to Boston after Orr was done. Orr's partner was Dallas Smith, a solid stay-at-home guy.

Neither will Pronger and Niedermayer.

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Pronger and Niedermayer are the two best defenders in the league if you ask me... One team hasn't had that luxury since the Habs of the mid 70's... Yikes

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Pronger and Niedermayer are the two best defenders in the league if you ask me... One team hasn't had that luxury since the Habs of the mid 70's... Yikes
There are a number of defenseman that are better than Niedermayer defensively.

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That's nice

Any of them have 3 Cup rings and a Norris?

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That's nice

Any of them have 3 Cup rings and a Norris?
Sorry, I thought you said Niedermayer was one of the best not one of the most successful.

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Sorry to break your heart, but he's better than Lidstrom.

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http://www.bostonbruins.com/pressbox...es.asp?id=1365

"Sinden did run a huge risk, because Phil was so popular here in Boston," said Park. "The fans had a little more wait and see attitude, and I think one of the things a lot of people wanted to see was how Bobby and I would play together, especially on the point on the power play. We only got 10 games in together, but I don't believe we disappointed them. Bobby went out for surgery and did not return that year, but we still went on and captured first place. I'm sure that was a huge relief in Harry's mind and also Don Cherry's."

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Sorry to break your heart, but he's better than Lidstrom.
What's your point? I'm a Habs fan. Sad that you not only assume that I'm a Red Wings fan, but then you try to annoy me by saying Niedermayer is better than Lidstrom.

Obviously you don't have a valid rebuttal to my initial comment that there are a number of defensemen that are better than Niedermayer defensively.

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Robinson was like a starburst. He was great for a couple years, but all that hockey got to him by the 80s. He wasn't the same player, not nearly as physical or aggressive. Pronger has flaws too, but they are definitely comparable.

Savard was a very good offensive defenseman early in his career until he broke his leg. He was never physical and later in his career he got by on smarts. Neidermayer is twice the player he was later in his career.

As a pairing though, I would go with Pronger-Neids. Montreal's strength was the Big Three, not the Big Two.

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To answer the question: I say yes...

I liked Chelios-Lidstrom though.

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Assuming they will be a pair, which is unlikely. A case could be made for them, no?
Don't take this personnally - but who cares really.

2 very expensive guys who are set for life - one got the max., the other cried he wanted out of the North & both got their fairytale stories.

Ya . . . . . . like I want to compare them to say . . . . . Larry Robinson, Guy Lapointe, Serge Savard . . . . . All of these guys played with heart and pride for the team - THE TEAM!

enough said!

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Nidermayer better than Lidstrom?

Who won the Norris this year? Lidstrom.

Niedermayer has only one Norris and that's in a year when Lidstrom was not playing good. Lidstrom has so many Norris trophies that I don't see why some people don't consider him to be the best d-men in the league.

even in the league's history, Lidstrom is one of the best.

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My guess is that they'll split them up...Spread out the power because they are both so good that if they are together then they may not be as good...who knows.

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