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07-05-2006, 03:39 PM
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Cloutier traded to L.A

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Just a week after signing new No. 1 netminder Roberto Luongo, the Vancouver Canucks have bid farewell to their former starter.

CKNW Radio in Vancouver reports that the Canucks and Los Angeles Kings have completed a deal that sends goaltender Dan Cloutier to L.A.

The move reunites Cloutier with former Canucks head coach Marc Crawford, who was hired by new GM Dean Lombardi last month.

Cloutier suffered through a difficult season in 2006. After getting off to a 5-2-1 start in Vancouver, he was forced to miss five games with a concussion. Four games into his return, he suffered what was initially diagnosed as a sprained knee and was scratched for the next seven games before the team confirmed he had suffered a partially torn anterior cruciate ligament.

Cloutier will earn $2.55 million US next season, the final year of a two-year deal he signed with the Canucks.

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What's the return?

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Garon having company? I believe he's still their #1 goalie but let's just say Cloutier is more competition than LaBarbera....

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What's the return?
Hmmm that exiting !!

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Nonis has done a good job with Vancouver's goaltending....

Cloutier & Auld --> Luongo & Noronen

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Nonis has done a good job with Vancouver's goaltending....

Cloutier & Auld --> Luongo & Noronen
But they have around 34 millions committed in 9 players...someone will have to be traded.

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Nonis has done a good job with Vancouver's goaltending....

Cloutier & Auld --> Luongo & Noronen
YUP, Van can't use the goaltending excuse anymore for not winning, too bad their core got depleted.

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how long till garon back to montreal rumours start?

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yeah, Garon is so great that the Kings needed to go out and get the most maligned goalie in the NHL over the last 3 years in order to get better at the position.

Everyone still convinced Garon is a legit NHL starter?

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For Vancouver's sake I hope they got a couple of defensemen and a forward or two in return.

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yeah, Garon is so great that the Kings needed to go out and get the most maligned goalie in the NHL over the last 3 years in order to get better at the position.

Everyone still convinced Garon is a legit NHL starter?
Gainey just did Garon a favor by trading him. Garon wanted to have a shot somewhere and at the time , there was no way Jose Theodore sit more games for him. Garon and the Kings started pretty big while the Habs were winning with Theo playing average.It turned out that taking Huet ended up better than Garon, so we won the trade even if at the time a lot of people were mad to see Garon go for that.

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07-05-2006, 04:12 PM
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Wow this sets a pretty nice market for Aebi, who in my mind anyway, is a better goalie than Cloutier (and should be slightly cheaper salary-wise).

Cloutier was dealt for a 2nd round pick in 2007, and a conditional pick in 2009.

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yeah, Garon is so great that the Kings needed to go out and get the most maligned goalie in the NHL over the last 3 years in order to get better at the position.

Everyone still convinced Garon is a legit NHL starter?

Well 31 wins on a not-so-great team like the Kings might be seen as a nonetheless good season. I don't expect Cloutier will be better than him but seems Crawford is a fan of his. I didn't see a lot of people on the Kings board blaming Garon for the team's performance. Most of them were pratically saying that it should've been worst but because of him it wasn't.

But you'll see Garon being #1 anytime soon....Garon doesn't seem to be able to go for 60 games and more. Maybe a 45-35 would be great for this team.


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Wow this sets a pretty nice market for Aebi, who in my mind anyway, is a better goalie than Cloutier (and should be slightly cheaper salary-wise).

Cloutier was dealt for a 2nd round pick in 2007, and a conditional pick in 2009.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/van060705.html

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Nonis has done a good job with Vancouver's goaltending....

Cloutier & Auld --> Luongo & Noronen
Am I missing soemthing here? Was Auld not dealt to Florida in the Luongo trade?

Vancouver's goalies are now Luongo and Noronen are they not?

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Wow this sets a pretty nice market for Aebi, who in my mind anyway, is a better goalie than Cloutier (and should be slightly cheaper salary-wise).

Cloutier was dealt for a 2nd round pick in 2007, and a conditional pick in 2009.
So I guess Aeby's worth is approx. a second rounder.

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Am I missing soemthing here? Was Auld not dealt to Florida in the Luongo trade?

Vancouver's goalies are now Luongo and Noronen are they not?
That is what he's saying. Nonis turned Cloutier and Auld into Luongo and Noronen (as in changed Vancouver's goaltending tandem from one to the other).

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07-05-2006, 04:23 PM
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[QUOTE=Sakuuuuu;5930864]That is what he's saying. Nonis turned Cloutier and Auld into Luongo and Noronen (as in changed Vancouver's goaltending tandem from one to the other).[/QUOTE

so I was missing something then.

I don't consider Noronen to be better than Auld tho.

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So I guess Aeby's worth is approx. a second rounder.
To me, Aebischer is worth more than that. Cloutier played just 13 games in AUSTRIA during the lockout, and only 13 games last year. Cloutier also hasn't played a game since his most recent injury.

They are comparable netminders, though I like Aebi a little more personally. Cloutier has a few more winning seasons under his belt, but Aebischer's numbers are slightly superior for the most part.

Aebischer should come at least $500K cheaper than Cloutier.

All in all, I think Aebi could be worth a late 1st. LA will not be a cup contender this year, so their 2nd rounder is likely to come in the first half, or at least just about guaranteed top 20.

That said, my first choice would be to see Aebi packaged to bring in a more tangible asset (as in a player).

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So I guess Aeby's worth is approx. a second rounder.
Sold! 2nd rounder plus cap space!

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Sold! 2nd rounder plus cap space!
Id rather have the luxury of 2 numer 1 goalies for a full year rather than trade him for a 2nd pick , maybe at the deadline.

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Id rather have the luxury of 2 numer 1 goalies for a full year rather than trade him for a 2nd pick , maybe at the deadline.
True, though I would still enjoy the cap space and I'd also like seeing Danis as backup. Somewhere down the line this year, the Abby versus Huey crap will flare up and that will likely lower Abby's trade value.

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That is what he's saying. Nonis turned Cloutier and Auld into Luongo and Noronen (as in changed Vancouver's goaltending tandem from one to the other).[/QUOTE

so I was missing something then.

I don't consider Noronen to be better than Auld tho.
All I'm saying is that I'd be much happier with a Franchise goalie and a decent backup then two pseudo-starters. I'm sure most of Vancouver will agree with me.

Now, when you consider the salaries... it gets a bit more complicated...

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yeah, Garon is so great that the Kings needed to go out and get the most maligned goalie in the NHL over the last 3 years in order to get better at the position.

Everyone still convinced Garon is a legit NHL starter?
Garon=slow hands, slow feet, deep in the crease. Overrated.

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To me, Aebischer is worth more than that. Cloutier played just 13 games in AUSTRIA during the lockout, and only 13 games last year. Cloutier also hasn't played a game since his most recent injury.

They are comparable netminders, though I like Aebi a little more personally. Cloutier has a few more winning seasons under his belt, but Aebischer's numbers are slightly superior for the most part.

Aebischer should come at least $500K cheaper than Cloutier.

All in all, I think Aebi could be worth a late 1st. LA will not be a cup contender this year, so their 2nd rounder is likely to come in the first half, or at least just about guaranteed top 20.

That said, my first choice would be to see Aebi packaged to bring in a more tangible asset (as in a player).
It takes two to tango. Who, pray tell, is going to give up a first round pick for Aebischeir?

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