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07-06-2006, 12:07 PM
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After the draft, how would you rate our prospect ?? Rising, Falling, Ranking, Potential, How many years from NHL ?

List of our prospects : Price Chipchura Danis Latendresse Locke Emelin O'Bryne Grabovsky Kostitsyn Halak Mikus Aubin Lapierre Heino-Lindberg D'Agostini Korpikari Carle Cote Farland Fischer Lambert Lemieux Maxwell Milroy Paquet Sanford Valenteko White Wyman

1- Price : X - 8.5C - #1 goaltender - 2 years away from NHL.
2- Fischer : X - 7.5B - #3 dman - 4 years away from NHL.
3- Latendresse : X - 7.5C - 2nd line power foward - 1 year away from NHL.
4- Grabovsky : rising, 8D - 2nd line centre - 1 year away from NHL.
5- Emelin : rising, 7.5C - #3 dman - 1 year away from NHL.
6- Chipchura : X - 6.5B - 3rd line centre - 1 year away from NHL.
7- Kostitsyn : rising - 7.5C - 2nd line forward - 1 or 2 years away from NHL.
8- Maxwell : X - 7C - 2nd or 3rd line centre - 4 years away from NHL.
9- Danis : falling - 7.5C - #1A goaltender - 1 year away from NHL.
10- Mikus : X - 7.5D - 2nd line forward - 2 years away from NHL.
11- White : X - 6.5B - 3rd line centre - 3 years away from NHL.
12- O'Bryne : rising - 6.5B - #4 dman - 2 years away from NHL.
13- Carle : X - 7C - #4 dman - 4 years away from NHL.
14- Aubin : X - 7B - 3rd line centre - 3 years away from NHL.
15- Cote : X - 6.5A - #5 dman - 1 year away from NHL.
16- Lapierre : X - 6.5B - grinder / 4th line winger - 1 year away from NHL.
17- Locke : falling - 7F - 2nd line centre - X years away from NHL (unlikely to make the NHL one day)
18- Ferland
19- Halak
20- Sanford
Just miss the cut : Korpikari, Milroy, D'Agostini.

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07-06-2006, 01:21 PM
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I think you're missing one of the Kostitsyn brothers in that list but overall, not bad. Oh, a few more things I would change:
- I'd give Lapierre and "rising" mark after a successful rookie season in the AHL.
- Halak absolutely rose as well. Perhaps more than any other Habs prospect.
- Mikus had a though season and I think he fell. Hopefully, he plays in the Q this year and has a solid season.

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07-06-2006, 02:21 PM
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Thats Sergei Kost?
Fischer, way to low imo. 8.5D, hes a far away prospect you have no choice but to give him a high ceiling and a low confidence level.
Chipchura 7B
Maxwell 7.5C
Latendresse 8C

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07-06-2006, 02:35 PM
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In no particular order, just some ratings i would change from your list

A. Kostitsyn 8.0C
Price 8.0C
Fischer 7.0C
Grabovsky 7.5C
S Kostitsyn 7.0C
Danis 7.0C
Aubin 7.0C
Cote 6.0B
Locke 7.0C

And Locke is too low imo. He's still a better prospect than S. Kostitsyn for exemple


But unlike SOLR, I don't see Chipchura as a future 2nd liner, or Latendresse as a 1st liner....

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07-06-2006, 02:42 PM
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That's kinda depressing that none of our prospects, except maybe Côté (a 6th-7th defenseman), is ready for the nhl next year. And none of them are sure to acheive their potential too. We have a lot of depth thought. But the future doesn't look bright. I see a lot of Jan Bulis (Bulises?) in the making...

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07-06-2006, 02:44 PM
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That's kinda depressing that none of our prospects, except maybe Côté (a 6th-7th defenseman), is ready for the nhl next year. And none of them are sure to acheive their potential too. We have a lot of depth thought. But the future doesn't look bright. I see a lot of Jan Bulis (Bulises?) in the making...
Lapierre Ferland Kostitsyn and probably Grabovski are ready too.

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That's kinda depressing that none of our prospects, except maybe Côté (a 6th-7th defenseman), is ready for the nhl next year. And none of them are sure to acheive their potential too. We have a lot of depth thought. But the future doesn't look bright. I see a lot of Jan Bulis (Bulises?) in the making...
Umm A. Kostitsyn should be ready, and there is an outside chance that Latendresse will be ready as well.

I don't understand your negativity. No we don't have an Erik or Jack Johnson, but we have an above average group of prospects, meaning guys with potential that may or may not work out... Sheesh.

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That's kinda depressing that none of our prospects, except maybe Côté (a 6th-7th defenseman), is ready for the nhl next year. And none of them are sure to acheive their potential too. We have a lot of depth thought. But the future doesn't look bright. I see a lot of Jan Bulis (Bulises?) in the making...
who ?

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Everyone's bashing Locke, but right now, Kostitsyn's doesn't seem to be better than him. Maybe Grabovsky's good thought. We'll see...

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I know my opinions won't be popular, and i'd love all those guys to become great. But is anyone seeing any first line players or top 2 defensemen in there?

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Everyone's bashing Locke, but right now, Kostitsyn's doesn't seem to be better than him. Maybe Grabovsky's good thought. We'll see...
how many time do you watch kostitsyn ? je was amazing in montreal ... stat dont tell everything ....

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I know my opinions won't be popular, and i'd love all those guys to become great. But is anyone seeing any first line players or top 2 defensemen in there?
Kostitsyn, Latendresse, Grabvosy, and Perezhogin all have first line forward potential. They should all turn into at minimum solid top 6 forwards.

Fischer is more likely a top 4, but if all goes well, could turn into a top 2 guy.

Price has potential to be a top notch starter.

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how many time do you watch kostitsyn ? je was amazing in montreal ... stat dont tell everything ....
He talk about Siharei

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In no particular order, just some ratings i would change from your list

A. Kostitsyn 8.0C
Price 8.0C
Fischer 7.0C
Grabovsky 7.5C
S Kostitsyn 7.0C
Danis 7.0C
Aubin 7.0C
Cote 6.0B
Locke 7.0C

And Locke is too low imo. He's still a better prospect than S. Kostitsyn for exemple


But unlike SOLR, I don't see Chipchura as a future 2nd liner, or Latendresse as a 1st liner....
Actually I would rate A. Kost at 8.5 C-8.0B.(The only forward in the organization with that ceiling) While S.Kost is a 7.0C
Chipchura 7B rating is more a dominant 3rd line center or a decent 2nd liner at his prime for 2-3 years.

Again I dont understand why people can rate Fischer at 7.0, really dont understand. A first choice in any draft should start at least at 8.0, thats the goal of any first rounder. The confidence level is what you change if you dont think he will reach it.
Example, you dont like Fischer, rate it 8E, you cannot rate him 7.0 its just not possible, ur basically denying his possible upside witch is not logic.

Why would any team draft a 7.0 in first round?

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how many time do you watch kostitsyn ? je was amazing in montreal ... stat dont tell everything ....
A few good moves don't tell anything either. He definitively has the skills (think Josef Balej), but to become an nhler you need more than that...

And to answer to Saku: All those players have an outside chance of becoming 1st liners, but they aren't heading this way right now. And it's way too soon to put any hopes on Fischer. He's a project, in a draft where it was said that outside the top 12, it was anyones guess about who was going to be picked.

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Actually I would rate A. Kost at 8.5 C-8.0B.(The only forward in the organization with that ceiling) While S.Kost is a 7.0C
Chipchura 7B rating is more a dominant 3rd line center or a decent 2nd liner at his prime for 2-3 years.

Again I dont understand why people can rate Fischer at 7.0, really dont understand. A first choice in any draft should start at least at 8.0, thats the goal of any first rounder. The confidence level is what you change if you dont think he will reach it.
Example, you dont like Fischer, rate it 8E, you cannot rate him 7.0 its just not possible, ur basically denying his possible upside witch is not logic.

Why would any team draft a 7.0 in first round?

That's just the way HF works. And first rounders don't necessarily have a higher ceiling than 7th rounder. So they rate an offensive defenseman 7.5 or 8.0 for exemple, while a guy like fischer who has some offensive upside is more like a 7.0. Or else anyone would be a 8.5D...

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