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07-06-2006, 09:20 PM
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Craig Janney

Hi all. Just curious what everyone's general opinion is on Craig Janney. I started following hockey in the late 80s and always thought that Janney was one of the best playmakers I've ever seen. I know he was soft as butter and hardly a goal scorer, but I feel he takes a lot of heat for a guy who averaged a point-per-game over 750 NHL games. I've heard some stories that he was a problem in the locker room?

Any insight would help on Janney. Thanks.

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I think that Craig Janney picked up what Adam Oates left in St-Louis. He was a really great playmaker and could maintain the production of Brett Hull pretty well for few years (he reached the 100pts in 92-93).

He was also good with Boston bur Oates prooved that he could do better for both teams.

I liked him anyway

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Softer than Oates, and a little less talented, but a similar type player. The center who didn't score a lot of goals, but made the wingers around him better.

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I'm 22 years old now, my earliest Bruin memories are from when I was around six years old watching Neely, Bourque, Moog, and Janney. Of course Craig probably doesn't belong in the same sentence as Cam and Ray, but he was my first favorite player.

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Janney's a *****.. was rewarded to Vancouver as compensation for Petr Nedved but refused to come and sat at home until the arbitrator awarded someone else.

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Softer than Oates, and a little less talented, but a similar type player. The center who didn't score a lot of goals, but made the wingers around him better.
A similar player? Not a chance. Oates was not only one of the top playmakers of the top 25 years, but he was a solid defensive player, a strong penalty killer and one of the best in the league in the faceoff circle.

Janney had Nerf ball-like properties. He was an elite, world-class playmaker. His playmaking and stickhandling abilities were among the best we've seen in the last 25 years. But he was incredibly soft. Pierre Turgeon looks like Mark Messier compared to Janney.

Janney's attitude sucked. He was a problem in the locker room. With all his offensive giftings, he struggled to last in a market for an extended period of time after he left Boston. It's not a reflection of a player who was sought-after by teams. It's reflective of a player whose team wanted him out.

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A similar player? Not a chance. Oates was not only one of the top playmakers of the top 25 years, but he was a solid defensive player, a strong penalty killer and one of the best in the league in the faceoff circle.

Janney had Nerf ball-like properties. He was an elite, world-class playmaker. His playmaking and stickhandling abilities were among the best we've seen in the last 25 years. But he was incredibly soft. Pierre Turgeon looks like Mark Messier compared to Janney.

Janney's attitude sucked. He was a problem in the locker room. With all his offensive giftings, he struggled to last in a market for an extended period of time after he left Boston. It's not a reflection of a player who was sought-after by teams. It's reflective of a player whose team wanted him out.
Plus he had Can Neely and Brett Hull to feed the Puck to. When Oates was with Hull, then Hull was a 70+ goal scorer. After Janney was there he got 55 or so. Neely was a 50+ guy with Janney. But with Oates after Neely's body was shot and he had missed most of 2 seasons Neely got 50 in 50 games. And then in parts of his last 2 seasons he scored at the same clip as he had with Janney. But Neely was a severely injured player by then.

Janney was a good playmaker for sure but if he hadn't had Neely and Hull in their primes on his wing he might never have got over a point per game in any season he played. He was a 15-20 goal score that would get 65-75 points if not for having 2 of the best goal scorers on his wing.

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Plus he had Can Neely and Brett Hull to feed the Puck to. When Oates was with Hull, then Hull was a 70+ goal scorer. After Janney was there he got 55 or so. Neely was a 50+ guy with Janney. But with Oates after Neely's body was shot and he had missed most of 2 seasons Neely got 50 in 50 games. And then in parts of his last 2 seasons he scored at the same clip as he had with Janney. But Neely was a severely injured player by then.

Janney was a good playmaker for sure but if he hadn't had Neely and Hull in their primes on his wing he might never have got over a point per game in any season he played. He was a 15-20 goal score that would get 65-75 points if not for having 2 of the best goal scorers on his wing.
I disagree. Janney may have been ultra-soft, but he was a gifted playmaker. He actually didn't play a lot with Hull in St. Louis, except on the power play. Hull and Janney never clicked like Hull and Oates. But Janney did forge great chemistry with Brendan Shanahan.

And Janney did put up points even as he bounced around the league. He had 82 points in 1995-96 (split between SJ and Winnipeg) and had a prolific stretch for about half of the following season. He's the type who could make a 20-25 goal scorer into a 40-plus goal scorer. He was that good with the puck. It's just that he could be negated by physical play and tight checking, and he wasn't a positive influence in the locker room.

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Plus he had Can Neely and Brett Hull to feed the Puck to. When Oates was with Hull, then Hull was a 70+ goal scorer. After Janney was there he got 55 or so. Neely was a 50+ guy with Janney. But with Oates after Neely's body was shot and he had missed most of 2 seasons Neely got 50 in 50 games. And then in parts of his last 2 seasons he scored at the same clip as he had with Janney. But Neely was a severely injured player by then.

Janney was a good playmaker for sure but if he hadn't had Neely and Hull in their primes on his wing he might never have got over a point per game in any season he played. He was a 15-20 goal score that would get 65-75 points if not for having 2 of the best goal scorers on his wing.
He was better than you give him credit for.

Was still a PPG player in 1991-92 with Boston in a season where Neely played 9 games. And he scored 82 points in 1995-96 in a season split between San Jose and Winnipeg. He really was one of the top 5 most skilled playmakers in the world in the early 1990s.

Interestingly, however soft he may have been, he was still over a PPG player in the playoffs until some poor showing in Phoenix right at the end of his career.

He's a player who you wonder if conditioning killed his career. By his last couple seasons (when he was still quite young - 31 when he played his last game) he was looking really sluggish. Seeing him in the '88 and '90 finals when those games were shown on CBC recently was an eye-opener ... much lighter and quicker, and so much more dynamic with the puck.

His marital woes involving his ex-friend Brendan Shanahan in St. Louis, as well as being a whipping boy for Keenan briefly with the Blues may have also knocked a lot of steam out of his career.

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He was better than you give him credit for.

Was still a PPG player in 1991-92 with Boston in a season where Neely played 9 games. And he scored 82 points in 1995-96 in a season split between San Jose and Winnipeg. He really was one of the top 5 most skilled playmakers in the world in the early 1990s.

Interestingly, however soft he may have been, he was still over a PPG player in the playoffs until some poor showing in Phoenix right at the end of his career.

He's a player who you wonder if conditioning killed his career. By his last couple seasons (when he was still quite young - 31 when he played his last game) he was looking really sluggish. Seeing him in the '88 and '90 finals when those games were shown on CBC recently was an eye-opener ... much lighter and quicker, and so much more dynamic with the puck.

His marital woes involving his ex-friend Brendan Shanahan in St. Louis, as well as being a whipping boy for Keenan briefly with the Blues may have also knocked a lot of steam out of his career.
Wow martial woes with your linemate the culprit. That has to suck big time.

Perhaps I underated Janney. The thing was I was thinking more in comparison to Oates. Oates was a far better player and playmaker than Janney. Instead of being negative about Janney I should have been positive about Oates. Oates was amazing. He was so huge with Hull and Neely.

But I guess Janney was the same with Shanny. Shanny's best offensive years appear to be with The Blues when Janney was there. And he had his only 50 goal seasons 2 of those seasons. I had though that Janney played mostly with Hull.

Do you guys think that if Oates wasn't traded to Boston Brett Hull would have had a couple of more 60+ goal seasons in St. Louis and slowed to a 50 goal pace instead of the low 40's? How important to Hull was Oates in his 3 huge seasons?

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Wow martial woes with your linemate the culprit. That has to suck big time.

Perhaps I underated Janney. The thing was I was thinking more in comparison to Oates. Oates was a far better player and playmaker than Janney. Instead of being negative about Janney I should have been positive about Oates. Oates was amazing. He was so huge with Hull and Neely.

But I guess Janney was the same with Shanny. Shanny's best offensive years appear to be with The Blues when Janney was there. And he had his only 50 goal seasons 2 of those seasons. I had though that Janney played mostly with Hull.

Do you guys think that if Oates wasn't traded to Boston Brett Hull would have had a couple of more 60+ goal seasons in St. Louis and slowed to a 50 goal pace instead of the low 40's? How important to Hull was Oates in his 3 huge seasons?

You didn't know about the Shanahan/Janney conflict? They were quite a pairing, it's kind of sad that it ended that way.

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Wow, this thread did bring back memories! I live in St. Louis so I grew up watching the Blues, I actually liked Craig Janney, I thought that he was a pretty good playmaker. I hated to see him and Shanny go.

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Almost every team has a situation in their past involving marital problems caused by a teammate. With all the women these guys could have, why pick a teammate`s wife?

Re Janney: He`d be tailor-made for the no-checking-allowed new NHL. Great playmaker, but one of the softest players the NHL has ever seen.

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I think it says a lot about a players career when over the course of 7 years, you go from being traded for Adam Oates to being traded for a 6th round pick.

1992: traded for Adam Oates
1994: traded for Brown, Bret Hedican and Nathan LaFayette
1995: traded for Jeff Norton
1996: traded for Darren (Q-Tip) Turcotte and a 2nd round pick
1998: traded for Louie Debrusk and a 5th round pick
1999: traded for a 6th round pick

Talk about a player's value in free fall.

And just the fact that he was traded 6 times in 7 years says a lot, and I won't even go into the "locker room cancer" stories in San Jose.

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I think it says a lot about a players career when over the course of 7 years, you go from being traded for Adam Oates to being traded for a 6th round pick.

1992: traded for Adam Oates
1994: traded for Brown, Bret Hedican and Nathan LaFayette
1995: traded for Jeff Norton
1996: traded for Darren (Q-Tip) Turcotte and a 2nd round pick
1998: traded for Louie Debrusk and a 5th round pick
1999: traded for a 6th round pick

Talk about a player's value in free fall.
I think that shows that teams thought they were getting more than they actually got. All of those teams except for the Adam Oates trade, seem like they were trying to get rid of him.

Wasn't he kicked off the Islanders? Like didn't they just tell him to go away?

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from his days with the sharks were breif moments of greatness and much more aloof lockroom cancer times, the term floater could have his mug in the hockey dictionary.

I do remember the 1995 calgary-sj series. Sharks down 3 games to 2 needing a game 6 win to get it to game 7. Dude just took over the game, 1995 flames were no slouches either, I was there kept checking the jersey to see just who was dominating the game. Sharks won and got the game 7 winner in double OT.

After that is was the same ole Janney needed to be in the playoffs for motivation, an eleite talent traded for Darren Turcotte(!)

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Why did Detroit trade Oates? Why did St. Louis trade Oates? I remember that both had particular reasons but I have forgotten why.

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Why did Detroit trade Oates? Why did St. Louis trade Oates? I remember that both had particular reasons but I have forgotten why.
I dunno about Detroit, but in St.Louis he wanted more money.

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Why did Detroit trade Oates? Why did St. Louis trade Oates? I remember that both had particular reasons but I have forgotten why.
Oates was traded to St. Louis for Bernie Federko. A pretty bad trade the Red Wings made at the time I think. Can you imagine if they kept Oates and had Yzerman and Fedorov with him? Wow!

Anyways about that Janney/Shanahan thing with Janney's wife to be honest I never have heard of it before. I'm guessing this is just a rumour and if it is let it go but if it isnt I'd say prove it. Its not fair to gossip about a guy in a situation like that if it isnt true

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Anyways about that Janney/Shanahan thing with Janney's wife to be honest I never have heard of it before. I'm guessing this is just a rumour and if it is let it go but if it isnt I'd say prove it. Its not fair to gossip about a guy in a situation like that if it isnt true
It's pretty common knowledge that Catherine Shanahan used to be Catherine Janney.

Google it and you'll come up with all kinds of references. Here's just one:

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Oates was traded to St. Louis for Bernie Federko. A pretty bad trade the Red Wings made at the time I think. Can you imagine if they kept Oates and had Yzerman and Fedorov with him? Wow!

Anyways about that Janney/Shanahan thing with Janney's wife to be honest I never have heard of it before. I'm guessing this is just a rumour and if it is let it go but if it isnt I'd say prove it. Its not fair to gossip about a guy in a situation like that if it isnt true

Oates WAS with Yzerman for 4 seasons in Detroit, and was a decent 2nd line center. When he went to St. Louis, he got to be 1st line, so naturally his point totals went up. But I agree, Oates for a fading Federko was a BAD trade for my Wings, even though at the time no one knew Oates would turn out as good as he did.

Wow, I didn't know Shanny stole Janney's wife! That's like the Nolan/Hasek thing in Buffalo, or Brind A'mour/Lindros in Philly! That really sucks!

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Oates was traded to St. Louis for Bernie Federko. A pretty bad trade the Red Wings made at the time I think. Can you imagine if they kept Oates and had Yzerman and Fedorov with him? Wow!

Anyways about that Janney/Shanahan thing with Janney's wife to be honest I never have heard of it before. I'm guessing this is just a rumour and if it is let it go but if it isnt I'd say prove it. Its not fair to gossip about a guy in a situation like that if it isnt true
WAs Oates one of those guys out for a beer the night before a playoff game for Detroit with Veitch and Klima? I remember the trade from Detroit happening but I can't remember why they did it. The Wings wanted to dump Oates for some reason.... Maybe he wanted more money?

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I imagine that you could probably equate Craig Janney to Marc Savard. Both are talented, but soft playmakers, who seemed to find chemistry with star wingers. I always thought that Craig Janney really lucked out, when he had an extended stretch playing with two of the best goal-scoring wingers of his era.

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