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11-09-2003, 03:55 PM
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Wiemer likely available...

Old news, yes. But since the Isles are about to let Jason Wiemer go and have publically let the cat out of the bag, why not speculate? He's a solid up-and-down winger who would add some sandpaper to the Sabres lineup as well as a bit of size (6'1", 220ish) and leadership to whatever line he lands on. I'm not usually in favor of talent-for-brawn exchanges, but would Regier be interested in exploring Afinogenov for Wiemer as it serves both teams' interests? Granted, I'd wouldn't mind seeing a draft pick exchanged for him if it could be worked out. Or since he's in the market for defensive depth...


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Eh, I'm not the biggest Jason Wiemer fan in the world but I wouldn't mind it if Darcy tried to get him. I like the Wiemer for Afinogenov deal if it went down.

Defensive depth eh? I can think of someone that comes to mind immediately, starts with Any ends with Elmore. And Mike Milbury is probably a legitimate suggestion to take him off our hands too.

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The biggest problem....

#1. Buffalo already is log jammed @ center
#2. Wiemer makes a little over 1.6 million

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#1. Buffalo already is log jammed @ center
#2. Wiemer makes a little over 1.6 million
#1. Wiemer plays predominantly LW and has for some time.
#2. Afinogenov makes $1.3 million. (Delmore with a nod to Ruckus makes a million, Campbell makes only $550 K)

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i'd love to have wiemer on the sabres
at the beginning of the year everbody complained the sabres were too soft and had too many small forwards
now there's somebody out there who fills both needs and has lots of experience in the league
i don't think i'd do max for wiemer, but maybe delmore?

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If the Sabres wanted to add a couple of lugnuts they might be able to pry Eric Cairns out of there as well.

What about Max and Delmore for Wiemer and Cairns?

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If the Sabres wanted to add a couple of lugnuts they might be able to pry Eric Cairns out of there as well.

What about Max and Delmore for Wiemer and Cairns?
Hmm... I'm usually leary of skill-for-grit deals but it would address a couple things for both teams. The total savings is minimal though---Cairns at 900K + Wiemer at 1.62 million vs. Max at 1.3 million + Delmore at a million... I would think for a bodies-to-payroll-slash move, the Isles would want Campbell at 550K. He's a depth defenseman for them, could be used as a PP specialist and paired with a guy like Aucoin on a regular shift. The savings would be impressive.

Flip side of course is would Buffalo take on any salary at all right now? B.T.G. might shell out a little more later in the season if the playoffs are in sight. But now? Hmmm....

I like the idea of Wiemer, Cairns works too---but the workability of the deal from the Isles side <i>and</i> the payroll differential seems a stretch.

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That leaves a group of mid-level salaried forwards such as Wiemer ($1.6 million) and Mark Parrish ($2.35 million) up for grabs. A team source confirmed this to Newsday, and said potential moves have no connection to the team's box-office slump this season.

"Some guys might go, but it has to do with production, not attendance," the source said. "Wiemer is a leading candidate and Parrish is a secondary candidate." Add defenseman Eric Cairns ($900,000), who will be a Group V unrestricted free agent after this season, to that list. According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the front office is growing less inclined with leaving demoted veteran Mattias Timander ($1.2 million) with Bridgeport much longer.

Bridgeport coach Greg Cronin recently said Timander has been "terrific ... He hasn't wasted one minute sulking."

Wiemer has drawn interest from the Dallas Stars and will likely go first for apparently more reasons than strictly salary. <b>According to multiple sources, he is not a popular figure with either Yashin or Peca, the team's marquee players. Wiemer, brought in two summers ago to assume a leadership role, is vocal both on the bench and in the locker room.</b>

Some credit Wiemer for being, as one player said, "that in-your-face athlete that you need." Another team member suggested otherwise. "For a guy who scores nine goals a season, he talks on the bench like he's Messier," he said. "Guys are not thrilled about that." Curiously, Peca has regressed over the past few games since Wiemer was placed on his wing in place of Peca's buddy, Jason Blake.
So the Cairns thing might make it fly, but the lockerroom desention might be something that sends up red flags. Or that he says what's on his mind---the usual method of getting shipped out of Buffalo rather than brought in.

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Florida is now the only team where I haven't heard/read that Wiemer hasn't been a lockerroom problem. He's really not productive enough to play on the 3rd line unless the 1st and 2nd lines score a lot, and he's paid way to much to put on the 4th line. He'll also whine in the lockerroom like Jason Woolley if he doesn't get his ice time. I'd have to take a big pass on him. I'd love to have Cairns, but a left-side dman would have to go to fit him in. Are we willing to deal one of Campbell, Kalinin, Tallinder, or McKee to rent a 3rd pair dman for one year? Dumping Delmore only creates a roster spot for Cairns, it doesn't open up a playing spot.

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Are we willing to deal one of Campbell, Kalinin, Tallinder, or McKee to rent a 3rd pair dman for one year? Dumping Delmore only creates a roster spot for Cairns, it doesn't open up a playing spot.
That brings me to another topic:

Biron and McKee for Derek Morris..........


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That brings me to another topic:

Biron and McKee for Derek Morris..........

Sounds good to me. You'll have to ask the Avs fans.

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That brings me to another topic:

Biron and McKee for Derek Morris..........

Similar proposals have already been shot down by Avs fans. Biron is a very small upgrade over Aebischer, if any. He certainly isn't worth the downgrade on D.

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That brings me to another topic:

Biron and McKee for Derek Morris..........

Or how about Parrish for Afinogenov plus? Lose a little speed, pick up a Connolly worth of salary, get better production off either wing. Now just convincing Milbury to do it and Golisano to pay the million difference in salary...

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Or how about Parrish for Afinogenov plus? Lose a little speed, pick up a Connolly worth of salary, get better production off either wing. Now just convincing Milbury to do it and Golisano to pay the million difference in salary...
I think the only problem with adding another top 2 line winger to mix is finding enough PT for everyone. Especially once Hecht is back. And if his # switch to 55 works as he hopes......

And I wonder if Aucoin could be had if the Sabres are taking on payroll.

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Boulton and the rights to Kristek for Malhotra! We can even add Delmore or Campbell for a pick.

He can play center or LW, has size (6'2" 210), skates well, can fight, is very good defensively, and still has upside. Botterill's done a nice job, but c'mon the guy has no points and skates slower than Richard Smehlik.

sorry, got carried away with the trade ideas :p

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Similar proposals have already been shot down by Avs fans. Biron is a very small upgrade over Aebischer, if any. He certainly isn't worth the downgrade on D.
I was basing my idea on Lacroix really wanting Biron.

Lacroix is willing to offer up packages that Avs fans would pass on if he thinks the player he's getting back will help the team out.

I think the offers that Lacroix made for Lecavalier, along with what he gave up in the Morris deal, point to Lacroix being more than willing to part with significant pieces to the puzzle to fill a certain need.

On the surface it's asking for too much. But I also think that that is the way Regier operates. And right now Lacroix needs Biron more than Regier needs to move him. And you know Regier will wait.

I think Morris might be a guy that Regier targets if Lacroix comes calling about Biron.

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Boulton and the rights to Kristek for Malhotra! We can even add Delmore or Campbell for a pick.

He can play center or LW, has size (6'2" 210), skates well, can fight, is very good defensively, and still has upside. Botterill's done a nice job, but c'mon the guy has no points and skates slower than Richard Smehlik.

sorry, got carried away with the trade ideas :p
Do the Stars need a player like Boulton though?

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Do the Stars need a player like Boulton though?

Speaking of the stars think maybe we could swap goalies, biron or noronen for tugnet? And instead of campbell or delmore i'd trade talinder first regarding the malhotra proposition.

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Do the Stars need a player like Boulton though?
From what I understand, they just want to get something for Malhotra so they don't lose him for nothing on waivers. I'm sure they'd be happy to take just the rights to Kristek for Malhotra, but they'll have to take a contract from the Sabres for it to make financial sense from the Sabres side. Losing Boulton's $550K would help defray the cost of Malhotra's $1.05 mil salary. Botterill would be sent down, so that's another $350K.

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From what I understand, they just want to get something for Malhotra so they don't lose him for nothing on waivers. I'm sure they'd be happy to take just the rights to Kristek for Malhotra, but they'll have to take a contract from the Sabres for it to make financial sense from the Sabres side. Losing Boulton's $550K would help defray the cost of Malhotra's $1.05 mil salary. Botterill would be sent down, so that's another $350K.
I certainly wouldn't mind a fourth line of Peters-Malhotra-Mair. Good size, reasonable skating ability, two guys who play a sound defensive game... and a lot of hitting. Someone dial up Big D.

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Boulton and the rights to Kristek for Malhotra! We can even add Delmore or Campbell for a pick.

He can play center or LW, has size (6'2" 210), skates well, can fight, is very good defensively, and still has upside. Botterill's done a nice job, but c'mon the guy has no points and skates slower than Richard Smehlik.

sorry, got carried away with the trade ideas :p
I guess my thoughts on this....what does Malholtra bring that Mair doesn't? Given, i'd love another player like Mair on the team, but it doesn't seem like a big need.

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Similar proposals have already been shot down by Avs fans. Biron is a very small upgrade over Aebischer, if any. He certainly isn't worth the downgrade on D.
The only thing is, the Avs fans here have been far off the mark when it comes to putting themselves in Lacroix's shoes.

Drury was supposed to be an Av for a long long time, the future captain.

Only a 5th rounder for Parker? I distinctly remember proposals where Avs fans wanted a 2nd. They had me convinced he was worth a 3rd.

Vrbata for Battaglia? Vrbata was being talked about like a future star. That deal surprised me too.

I don't think anyone can say how much Lacroix values Biron other than Lacroix. For all we know, Lacroix may view him as a major updgrade.

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I guess my thoughts on this....what does Malholtra bring that Mair doesn't? Given, i'd love another player like Mair on the team, but it doesn't seem like a big need.
He's not replacing Mair. He and the returning Hecht are replacing Botterill and Boulton. That makes the Sabres a better team. The nice thing about Malhotra is he has the upside to be more than a 4th liner. I don't see that in Mair.

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Parrish + Carins for Afinogenov + Campbell + 3rd rounder or similar prospect?

I think it'd work, and for a trade that fills alot of need for the Sabres, I honestly don't think Golisano will mind shelling out another $2m in payroll, which pro-rated over the rest of the season would be about $1.6m I think.

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Parrish + Carins for Afinogenov + Campbell + 3rd rounder or similar prospect?
I would do that in a heartbeat if the pick was a 4th or higher.

 
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I think the only problem with adding another top 2 line winger to mix is finding enough PT for everyone. Especially once Hecht is back. And if his # switch to 55 works as he hopes......

And I wonder if Aucoin could be had if the Sabres are taking on payroll.
don't tease me
aucoin is on the cusp of #1 status
plus, i don't see nyi moving their best defenseman (i think he has become better than hammer) while they are in like 5th place and looking pretty good to make the playoffs this year

parrish i would be very interested in
move hecht back to center with parrish on the left and dumont on the right, HECK of a line

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