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Bell to Sharks, Havlat and Smolinksi to Chicago, Preissing to Ottawa

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07-09-2006, 08:43 PM
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6m per??????? ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuucchhh!

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Dale doesn't trade enough, but his last two trades (the Arnason being the other) have been gems.

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That's an awful lot of money for Havlat... but then again, he is foregoing UFA for this.

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Not really, I'm betting it's lots of money, and the Sens can't afford much right now.

I'm interested to see the money they threw his way.
3 years, $18 mil

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Let's not forget either, Havlat was going to be the best player in the deal no matter what, and this is about 10x better than the Havlat for Toskala trade .

Hell, you could even say the Sens got Gerber in the cap space created by trading Havlat, so you could even add him to what Ottawa got in return.

I don't know...I'm probably just homering.

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This is a deal that could actually end up helping all the teams involved.

San Jose now has one of the best (if not the best) line in hockey with Bell, Thornton and Cheechoo. The defence looks weak to me but San Jose would be golden if they flipped one of their goaltenders for a defenceman (which is easier said than gone given the number of goaltenders available).

Chicago gets a dynamic forward in Havlat and they sign him to a three year deal. He could very well top 100 points this year if he stays healthy.

Ottawa gets a solid top 4 defenceman and clear a lot of cap room. They could be looking veeeery solid if they turn around and sign a guy like Mike Peca with the saved cap space.

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$6 million is reasonable compared to others


he is one of the best young stars in the league and I think he was pointing to Richards and lecavlaier's contracts. Thanks Feaster

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Not really, I'm betting it's lots of money, and the Sens can't afford much right now.

I'm interested to see the money they threw his way.
Havlat obviously agreed to sign a longer deal with Chicago before it went down, so I don't understand why Ottawa wasn't able to get more for him. I like the return they got, I understand it helps them in unmeasurable ways, but Havlat is a special special player. I was expecting a return similar to the one Hossa got (Obviously on a lesser scale, because Hossa is the better player) - something like Havlat for an equally talented younger cheaper player.

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6 million is too much for Havlat, but Ottawa got ripped off in my opinion.

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A six million a year foward and cap expensive vet that didn't fit into plans.....
This sounds more and more like the Hossa-Heatley trade.

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A new question


Does this trade make Muckler Tallon's b****?



Arnason and now this?



Although this deal looks like a steal for Ottawa compared to Arnie

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3 years, $18 mil
Okay, he's not that special.

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Personally, I think if Havlat signed long term with Chicago, the Sens got fleeced

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How's next years draft? I don't expect it to be 2003, but is it at last a deep draft

Where do you think the pick will be?

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I think Havlat does have $6,000,000 talent, but he's a tad injury prone and still hasn't proven himself to be a top tier forward..... risky move by Chicago

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How's next years draft? I don't expect it to be 2003, but is it at last a deep draft

Where do you think the pick will be?
A pick in 2008.

So two years from now. Chicago will still be bad, but not as bad. Probably 35-40.

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Sharks top two lines are very big, and very skilled... we should be a head ache for every opposition.

Defensively now is the key.

Ehrhoff - McLaren
Hannan - Gorges
Carle - Murray

Davison & Fahey.

I say start with signing Danny Markov, and move Nabby for a legit top four defenseman.

Plus I now have a reason to go to Chicago to see more than just two games a year (when the Sharks are in town) and this should give the franchise some buzz. They made out very well... I mean wow...good trade Hawks....Finally!

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Personally, I think if Havlat signed long term with Chicago, the Sens got fleeced
If other teams know the Sens can't afford to keep Havlat, they aren't going to give up a lot.

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San Jose now has one of the best (if not the best) line in hockey with Bell, Thornton and Cheechoo.
Not a very good skating line though eh?.....oh well

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I like this deal from each teams perspective.

Chicago lands a star who they have locked up for 3 years for someone who hasn't blossemed in their uni

San Jose lands Bell who will be a steal in any hockey pool next year now

Ottawa dumps a player who was becoming more of a distraction then he was good for the team - a guy they weren't gonna be keeping past next season anyways.

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I agree with the sentiment that all teams made out pretty decently in this deal.

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I like this deal from each teams perspective.

Chicago lands a star who they have locked up for 3 years for someone who hasn't blossemed in their uni

San Jose lands Bell who will be a steal in any hockey pool next year now

Ottawa dumps a player who was becoming more of a distraction then he was good for the team - a guy they weren't gonna be keeping past next season anyways.
Ottawa isn't just dumping salary here. Preissing is a fine player and the prospects have attractive upside.

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I would say Ottawa got screwed, but i will judge how they did in a few days when i see who they used the freed up money to spend on UFAs
Ottawa did not get screwed. Havlat was as good as gone at the end of the year (which makes for a huge hit in the Sens bargaining position) and they still come out with:

Preissing - a solid #3-#5 offensive defenceman
Hennessy - Prospect forward who will be somewhere in between a 2nd line forward and an excellent sparkplug guy who can score.
Barinka - solid stay-at-home defensive prospect
Chicago's 2nd rounder which will be high since the hawk's aren't going to miraculously climb high in the standings this year.

Good return for what would've left for nothing at year's end.

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I say start with signing Danny Markov, and move Nabby for a legit top four defenseman.

Plus I now have a reason to go to Chicago to see more than just two games a year (when the Sharks are in town) and this should give the franchise some buzz. They made out very well... I mean wow...good trade Hawks....Finally!
Markov I buy (though other teams are after him as well), but does anyone want Nabokov for a top four defenseman? He's got a NTC iirc, a pretty big contract and is coming off a season where he was essentially replaced because his performance wasn't up to par.

Unless I was a team in deep trouble at goaltender, I don't think I'd trade a top-four guy for him. Probably a veteran 5/6 guy with a higher salary, but I think any move of Nabokov would be seen as a salary/contract dump by the Sharks with the bargaining power squarely with the other team.

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nice trade for the Sharks. Bell is a clear upgrade over Ekman. (And I agree with the above poster, Bell is going to be a nice pick in next year fantasy pools. )

The other two teams do ok as well. Muckler was trading one year of Havlat, so he couldn't expect a superstar back and I'm sure he didn't. He certainly didn't get fleeced.

Chicago does ok and adds a very good center in Havlat. Kyle Calder now becomes a nice option in hockey pools as well

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