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07-10-2006, 01:54 PM
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I just don't understand that if he's still not that bad and the amount of veteren leadership he could bring, along with the whole PR/hometown thing AND the fact that veteren centers are gold around playoff time, how this team justifies signing Marc Chouinard for a million and does not pick up an option that is very similar on someone who should be a much better alternative.

Sounds like he's done if you ask me.
it's because of his ties in Vancouver... the entire organization knows, the fans know and Trevor has been open about this as well - that there is no other team in the league he'd rather play for.

Nonis knows this too... he said that he expects to have Linden back next season, signing for a lot less than he made last year. And he further went on to say that he expects Linden to be back for at least another season, before he starts a long career with the canucks in front office.

Linden is basically a life-long canuck... he was miserable when he was dealt (I met him when he came to Vancouver as a Hab and the only positive he said was that he got to play with Koivu, who he was very good friends with), but he looked miserable overall.

When he was reacquired by Burke, he was open about how much he wanted to come back.

Linden will retire a canuck... then will go into the front office (or coaching) with the team... I don't think there's any chance he goes elsewhere...

knowing this, the club is going to sign him cheaper... and knowing Linden, who's made a lot in his career, including a longterm $4.5mill deal he had from the Isles, that went with him to the Habs, then the Caps, then back to Vancouver... if any player is going to accept less to stick with their team, it's Linden.

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07-10-2006, 01:58 PM
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Hmmm...he WAS fifth in average ice time among Wild forwards last year.
Either the other 15 forwards REALLY stunk, Lemaire is a jackass, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Which one do you think it is?
I think you're missing some options.

Chouinard should be fine as a bottom 4 forward. 4th line regular with limited 3rd line capability. He's not as slow as he looks, nor as physical. If you try to mis-use him or expect too much from him, you'll be pretty disappointed.

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07-10-2006, 02:23 PM
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Shouldn't be too much of a problem.

For those who are ignorant of the Canucks payroll situation, here is a terrific breakdown from nuckfan in TO:



Now we can speak about the Canucks payroll with all the information. Thanks.
I guess you're not looking to bring back Carter at all.

Who's going to fill the scoring void left by Carter and Bertuzzi?

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07-10-2006, 02:29 PM
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I guess you're not looking to bring back Carter at all.

Who's going to fill the scoring void left by Carter and Bertuzzi?
why does their scoring void need to be filled?

the canucks have said many times now - from Nonis and Vigneault both - that the entire style of the team will change... they will be a more defensive team now, built around goaltending.

you don't simply replace the parts you lose then by new players that fill those same needs... as needs are changed for this team.

Offensively, we still have the Sedins on one line, and Morrison and Naslund on the other... that should give us good balance in the top 2 lines. Cooke can jump into Naslund and Morrison's wings, as he's played well there before... whoever they get on the Sedins wing shouldn't be a problem as they have only improved every year, and were the reason why Carter had his 33 goals (note all but 1 goal scored by Carter all season was not assisted by one or both Sedin).

still the team is changing their style... what happens next season is still a guess though as we haven't see this new coach or his style, or our other players play in that system...

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I guess you're not looking to bring back Carter at all.

Who's going to fill the scoring void left by Carter and Bertuzzi?
Carter hasn't signed anywhere else yet. The Canucks'll be fine come the end of the offseason.

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LOL @ Canucks fans asking for opinions and then arguing against them.

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07-10-2006, 05:59 PM
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So, tell me if I'm getting this right...

The Nucks are "re-tooling" their team. And as part of this re-tooling, they are picking up ex-Wild players. They aren't looking to replace the offensive void left by the loss of Bertuzzi and Carter, and they are also going to change their style of play to a more "defensive style" of hockey...

...is anyone else finding this kind of funny is a strange sort of way??

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So, tell me if I'm getting this right...

The Nucks are "re-tooling" their team. And as part of this re-tooling, they are picking up ex-Wild players. They aren't looking to replace the offensive void left by the loss of Bertuzzi and Carter, and they are also going to change their style of play to a more "defensive style" of hockey...

...is anyone else finding this kind of funny is a strange sort of way??
Yah, it's pretty ironic considering the Canucks have been known for run-and-gun, open hockey for the past 5 or so seasons, I agree. But Nonis has said the Canucks are going to be a more defensively concious team next year. Our new coach is highly defensive, so I suspect you'll see a far lower scoring, more defensively responsible Canucks squad next year.

Also there is still a chance Carter comes back, in fact I have heard recently he wants to remain in Vancouver.

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I think you're missing some options.

Chouinard should be fine as a bottom 4 forward. 4th line regular with limited 3rd line capability. He's not as slow as he looks, nor as physical. If you try to mis-use him or expect too much from him, you'll be pretty disappointed.
agreed. to me chouinard was always ok if you didn't expect too much, always walking a very fine line. some days he would have a really good game, win the faceoff when we needed it. other days it was almost the opposite. so just when you're ready to be fed up with the guy, he does something good and the cycle starts all over again.

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So, tell me if I'm getting this right...

The Nucks are "re-tooling" their team. And as part of this re-tooling, they are picking up ex-Wild players. They aren't looking to replace the offensive void left by the loss of Bertuzzi and Carter, and they are also going to change their style of play to a more "defensive style" of hockey...

...is anyone else finding this kind of funny is a strange sort of way??
no, not really. I think they're just trying to start over again, shed their image. they found their system wasn't working to their expectations and are working to change it. nothing new with that, teams do it all the time. look at the wild. they're doing just the opposite of the nucks. obviously they were having trouble with their defensive style and it seems like the moves they've done are meant to make the wild a team with offensive talent. both teams did the same thing, they just moved to opposite ends of the spectrum so to speak. commonplace.

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07-10-2006, 10:18 PM
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Linden? Who's he? Does he play for the Wild? Why are we talking about this guy on the Wild forum? Are we going to trade a bucket of used pucks for him or something? When did this become a Nuck forum? I'd rather remain ignorant about the Nucks fiance's, finances, cat ceilings or cap ceilings or whatever it is they do with their wives/girlfriends in Nuckland. I hate the Nucks.

Feeling unreasonable in Mpls...

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Linden? Who's he? Does he play for the Wild? Why are we talking about this guy on the Wild forum? Are we going to trade a bucket of used pucks for him or something? When did this become a Nuck forum? I'd rather remain ignorant about the Nucks fiance's, finances, cat ceilings or cap ceilings or whatever it is they do with their wives/girlfriends in Nuckland. I hate the Nucks.

Feeling unreasonable in Mpls...

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So you don't want to learn about your divisional opponents. Sounds like you are quite the fan after all.

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I think the only thing that is 100% sure is that we can't wait for the season to start. With all the moves in the NHL already this offseason, this year could be as unpredictable as last year. The NW Division is going to be fun to follow, that's for sure!

I don't think Chouinard will be missed at all by the Wild in looking at their current roster. They made enough moves to make him expandable and I'm fine with that decision. Winning faceoffs is fine and everything in the regular season, but the one's a team really needs are those pressure packed towards the end of the year and playoffs....we never had a chance to see that from Chouinard.

The only thing I'm gonna miss about him as the way the radio announcers pronounced his name...."Shweeeeenaaaaar".

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Hmmm...he WAS fifth in average ice time among Wild forwards last year.
Either the other 15 forwards REALLY stunk, Lemaire is a jackass, or you don't know what you're talking about.
Which one do you think it is?
The Wild had 15 OTHER FORWARDS last year?

Can you please list them for me, as last I checked, a team also needs to suit up 2 goalies, and approximately 6 defensemen......hmmmm, when did the NHL start allowing teams to dress 28 players?

I think we NOW know the answer to your question.

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07-11-2006, 09:29 AM
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The Wild had 15 OTHER FORWARDS last year?

Can you please list them for me, as last I checked, a team also needs to suit up 2 goalies, and approximately 6 defensemen......hmmmm, when did the NHL start allowing teams to dress 28 players?

I think we NOW know the answer to your question.
BRIAN ROLSTON MIN 82 34 45 79 50 14 5 15 7 0 293 11.6 28.9 20:21 46.4
2 C TODD WHITE MIN 61 19 21 40 18 -1 0 5 0 0 109 17.4 25.7 17:12 49.1
3 C RANDY ROBITAILLE MIN 67 12 28 40 54 -5 0 7 2 0 112 10.7 21.2 14:43 51.4
4 C WES WALZ MIN 82 19 18 37 61 7 1 1 0 0 127 15.0 25.9 15:54 46.9
5 C MARC CHOUINARD MIN 74 14 16 30 34 1 2 6 3 0 112 12.5 25.3 16:29 52.7
6 C MIKKO KOIVU MIN 64 6 15 21 40 -9 0 3 0 0 96 6.3 19.6 13:17 47.4
7 C ERIK WESTRUM MIN 10 0 1 1 2 -1 0 0 0 0 16 0.0 14.9 10:47 38.2
8 D KURTIS FOSTER MIN 58 10 18 28 60 -3 0 6 2 1 124 8.1 26.0 19:13 0.0
9 D FILIP KUBA MIN 65 6 19 25 44 0 1 1 1 0 69 8.7 29.0 21:46 0.0
10 D MARTIN SKOULA MIN 78 5 16 21 46 6 0 3 1 0 92 5.4 23.7 19:08 0.0
11 D ANDREI ZYUZIN MIN 57 7 11 18 50 -12 0 4 1 0 80 8.8 26.4 18:52 50.0
12 D DANIEL TJARNQVIST MIN 60 3 15 18 32 -11 0 3 1 0 54 5.6 27.3 19:46 0.0
13 D BRENT BURNS MIN 72 4 12 16 32 -7 0 1 1 0 73 5.5 20.7 14:07 54.5
14 D NICK SCHULTZ MIN 79 2 12 14 43 2 0 0 0 0 45 4.4 25.9 17:57 0.0
15 D ALEX HENRY MIN 63 0 5 5 73 -4 0 0 0 0 41 0.0 17.1 11:25 50.0
16 D ERIK REITZ MIN 5 0 0 0 4 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 21.2 13:09 0.0
17 D SCOTT FERGUSON MIN 15 0 0 0 22 -3 0 0 0 0 6 0.0 14.6 9:10 100.0
18 L PASCAL DUPUIS MIN 67 10 16 26 40 -10 0 4 2 0 151 6.6 25.3 16:29 29.0
19 L STEPHANE VEILLEUX MIN 71 7 9 16 63 -13 0 0 1 0 87 8.0 21.5 12:57 33.3
20 L DEREK BOOGAARD MIN 65 2 4 6 158 2 0 0 1 0 15 13.3 9.3 5:22 0.0
21 L ANDREI NAZAROV MIN 2 0 0 0 6 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 8.5 4:47 0.0
22 R MARIAN GABORIK MIN 65 38 28 66 64 6 2 10 7 0 252 15.1 25.6 18:25 27.3
23 R PIERRE-MARC BOUCHARD MIN 80 17 42 59 28 3 0 7 3 0 118 14.4 20.7 15:15 46.7
24 R ALEXANDRE DAIGLE MIN 46 5 23 28 12 -6 0 2 1 0 59 8.5 19.3 12:59 41.7
25 R KYLE WANVIG MIN 51 4 8 12 64 -8 0 1 0 0 55 7.3 16.4 10:39 46.2
26 R MATTIAS WEINHANDL MIN 68 4 7 11 24 -4 0 0 0 0 57 7.0 13.2 9:10 33.3
27 R MATT FOY MIN 19 2 3 5 16 -4 0 1

17 different forwards played for the Wild last year.

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why does their scoring void need to be filled?

the canucks have said many times now - from Nonis and Vigneault both - that the entire style of the team will change... they will be a more defensive team now, built around goaltending.

you don't simply replace the parts you lose then by new players that fill those same needs... as needs are changed for this team.

Offensively, we still have the Sedins on one line, and Morrison and Naslund on the other... that should give us good balance in the top 2 lines. Cooke can jump into Naslund and Morrison's wings, as he's played well there before... whoever they get on the Sedins wing shouldn't be a problem as they have only improved every year, and were the reason why Carter had his 33 goals (note all but 1 goal scored by Carter all season was not assisted by one or both Sedin).

still the team is changing their style... what happens next season is still a guess though as we haven't see this new coach or his style, or our other players play in that system...
hmm, maybe with the offseason moves by both teams the Wild fans will be complaining about the boring Canucks style and why do the wild have to play boring Vancouver 8 times!

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7 C ERIK WESTRUM MIN 10 0 1 1 2 -1 0 0 0 0 16 0.0 14.9 10:47 38.2
20 L DEREK BOOGAARD MIN 65 2 4 6 158 2 0 0 1 0 15 13.3 9.3 5:22 0.0
21 L ANDREI NAZAROV MIN 2 0 0 0 6 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 8.5 4:47 0.0
24 R ALEXANDRE DAIGLE MIN 46 5 23 28 12 -6 0 2 1 0 59 8.5 19.3 12:59 41.7
25 R KYLE WANVIG MIN 51 4 8 12 64 -8 0 1 0 0 55 7.3 16.4 10:39 46.2
26 R MATTIAS WEINHANDL MIN 68 4 7 11 24 -4 0 0 0 0 57 7.0 13.2 9:10 33.3
27 R MATT FOY MIN 19 2 3 5 16 -4 0 1

17 different forwards played for the Wild last year.
Yes, and of those 15 forwards who lined up at forward at some point during the year, 7 of them were either fringe players(most), role players(Boogaard), or late seasons aquisitions(Westrum, Weinhandl). What I find amusing is attempting to use a player like Nazarov to prove a point.

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I'm willing to admit that signing Chouinard is a better move than signing Nazarov. Excellent work, Nonis.

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I'm willing to admit that signing Chouinard is a better move than signing Nazarov. Excellent work, Nonis.
I usually agree with you, but I'm afraid we part company here. I happen to think signing Nazarov would be an excellent move for the Canucks.

Go get 'im, Nonis. Quick, before someone else snatches him up. Do it now!

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If the Nucks are in the market for a new Power Forward...I hear that both Alex Henry and Kyle Wanvig are still available.

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If the Nucks are in the market for a new Power Forward...I hear that both Alex Henry and Kyle Wanvig are still available.
Yeah, Wanvig especially would be a bargain. He scored a goal once, in a game, so projected out over the course of an entire year that translates into an 82-goal season. I can't believe Vancouver hasn't pounced on him yet!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2515825

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Report: Chouinard's career year nets Wild contract

TORONTO -- Marc Chouinard apparently has parlayed his career season into a lucrative new deal.

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Chouinard agreed to terms with the Vancouver Canucks on a two-year, $2.2 million contract, according to a report Monday on TSN of Canada's Web site.

The 29-year-old Chouinard registered career highs of 14 goals, 16 assists and 30 points with Minnesota last season. Regarded as one of the best two-way centers in the league, Chouinard ranked eighth on the Wild with a plus-1 rating in 74 games.

A five-year veteran, Chouinard has 35 goals and 39 assists in 278 career games with Anaheim and Minnesota.
This is funny. Especially this bit: "Regarded as one of the best two-way centers in the league..." Wow. I had no idea he was that good. Maybe we shouldn't have let him go?

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This is funny. Especially this bit: "Regarded as one of the best two-way centers in the league..." Wow. I had no idea he was that good. Maybe we shouldn't have let him go?

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I'm honestly not sure if he was even one of the best two-way centers on the team last year. Who wrote this crap?

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I'm honestly not sure if he was even one of the best two-way centers on the team last year. Who wrote this crap?
He isn't close.

Walls, White, Koivu were ALL MUCH better.

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If a player is under-contract with the Wild (and we didn't draft 'im), he's usually referred to as a waiver-wire guy, a castoff, journeyman, etc. As soon as they become UFA they're valuable additions to another team. Lemaire builds players, there is no doubt.

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