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07-12-2006, 03:59 PM
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He wants to sign in toronto but FERGUESON is lost.

He traded Rask for raycroft. **** hes gonna regret that one!

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07-12-2006, 04:00 PM
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Hopefully neither.

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Interesting, I just noticed on ESPN that Peca still hasn't been signed. Anyone know why? Is he asking for too much?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/featur...freeagency2006
Word is he's going to TO.

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07-12-2006, 04:07 PM
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He wants to sign in toronto but FERGUESON is lost.

He traded Rask for raycroft. **** hes gonna regret that one!
Ferguson's made some ****** move (see the Belfour and McCabe deals). However, he did what he had to do with Raycroft. He needed a tender and got one...a cheap one that has a lot of potential. As for dealing Rask in the process...well, I guess you could look at it as the Leafs tossing away their first 1st round selection in years; however, you could also take into consideration that Raycroft is only a step removed from being a prospect himself...a prospect who's shown a lot more than Rask has at this point. And, IMO...based on what I've seen of TR, he has bust written all over him.

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Is the LA Times written in Arabic or something...is that the reason all of these hacks have so much difficulty deciphering it?
Haha. No kidding. So many people seem to have problems reading standard English. There are often cases where something could be interpreted a couple of different ways, but that article really couldn't have been much clearer.

Also, where in the article does it say "both would be signed... at the league minimum" like he says it does? Good grief.

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IF it came down to one or the other the most logical choice would be Eric Lindros.

Eric has proved he can play in the new NHL. Had he not gotten the hand injury, he was on track to pot 55 points.

He is a big dominant center, which this team lacks. He could be the top line.

Eric is also almost 3 years since his last concussion, making the risk of getting another one lower than in years past.

Owen Nolan hasnt played NHL hockey in over 2 years. He is older, and was never as good as Big E!


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07-12-2006, 05:40 PM
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I go with the E train for sure...Mostly for my memories of the "Legion of Doom" line.

Lindros has proved he can still play and I would love to see him on the Kings!

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IF it came down to one or the other the most logical choice would be Eric Lindros.

Eric has proved he can play in the new NHL. Had he not gotten the hand injury, he was on track to pot 55 points.

He is a big dominant center, which this team lacks. He could be center the top line.

Eric is also almost 3 years since his last concussion, making the risk of getting another one lower than in years past.

Owen Nolan hasnt played NHL hockey in over 2 years. He is older, and was never as good as Big E!
Lindros is a shadow of his former self...even, still, he and Nolan are probably close in terms of what they can offer. However, I get the sense that Lindros just doesn't have his head screwed on straight and I get the impression that he has to shy away from the physical stuff to remain concussion-free. With Nolan, I think the team will get a grittier edge along with scoring ability(provided the latter is still intact). Both are a risk...but I choose Nolan.

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07-12-2006, 05:50 PM
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Lindros is a shadow of his former self...even, still, he and Nolan are probably close in terms of what they can offer. However, I get the sense that Lindros just doesn't have his head screwed on straight and I get the impression that he has to shy away from the physical stuff to remain concussion-free. With Nolan, I think the team will get a grittier edge along with scoring ability(provided the latter is still intact). Both are a risk...but I choose Nolan.

I really disagree with Lindros being a "shadow of his former self". I will agree he isnt nearly as Physical as he was in his "hey day" but he is still very effective.

GP G A P PIM
1993-94 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 65 44 53 97 103
1994-95 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 46 29 41 70 60
1995-96 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 73 47 68 115 163
1996-97 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 52 32 47 79 136
1997-98 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 63 30 41 71 134
1998-99 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 71 40 53 93 120
1999-00 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 55 27 32 59 83
2000-01 Did Not Play Ind Statistics Unavailable
2001-02 New York Rangers NHL 72 37 36 73 138
2002-03 New York Rangers NHL 81 19 34 53 141
2003-04 New York Rangers NHL 39 10 22 32 60
2005-06 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 33 11 11 22 43


If you thow out out the 95-96 year, it is all still pretty much on track. Look at his PIMs his first two years back with the Rags......look at those PIMS he racked up. He was hardly being a wuss.

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07-12-2006, 05:54 PM
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I really disagree with Lindros being a "shadow of his former self". I will agree he isnt nearly as Physical as he was in his "hey day" but he is still very effective.

GP G A P PIM
1993-94 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 65 44 53 97 103
1994-95 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 46 29 41 70 60
1995-96 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 73 47 68 115 163
1996-97 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 52 32 47 79 136
1997-98 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 63 30 41 71 134
1998-99 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 71 40 53 93 120
1999-00 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 55 27 32 59 83
2000-01 Did Not Play Ind Statistics Unavailable
2001-02 New York Rangers NHL 72 37 36 73 138
2002-03 New York Rangers NHL 81 19 34 53 141
2003-04 New York Rangers NHL 39 10 22 32 60
2005-06 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 33 11 11 22 43


If you thow out out the 95-96 year, it is all still pretty much on track. Look at his PIMs his first two years back with the Rags......look at those PIMS he racked up. He was hardly being a wuss.

He wasn't being a "wuss", but, as you said, he wasn't really physical and he won't fight if it comes down to it....and it's really hard to blame him for it given the number of times he's had his skull bashed in.

But my point was that he just doesn't seem as dominant. He had a decent start with the Leafs, but then tailed off dramatically. I think I just like Nolan's game more than EL's, despite the two year hibernation.

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07-12-2006, 05:58 PM
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Lindros is a shadow of his former self...even, still, he and Nolan are probably close in terms of what they can offer. However, I get the sense that Lindros just doesn't have his head screwed on straight and I get the impression that he has to shy away from the physical stuff to remain concussion-free. With Nolan, I think the team will get a grittier edge along with scoring ability(provided the latter is still intact). Both are a risk...but I choose Nolan.
I agree with kingsfans25. This is almost exactly my feeling, as well. I'd also add that Nolan would probably stay healthy for more of the season (~70 games each of the last two seasons, compared to ~36 for Lindros). I wouldn't mind either, but I think that, if I had to choose, I'd take Nolan because of fearlessness and health, and trust that he'll be fine in the new NHL.

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He wasn't being a "wuss", but, as you said, he wasn't really physical and he won't fight if it comes down to it....and it's really hard to blame him for it given the number of times he's had his skull bashed in.

But my point was that he just doesn't seem as dominant. He had a decent start with the Leafs, but then tailed off dramatically. I think I just like Nolan's game more than EL's, despite the two year hibernation.
He will fight if it comes down to it though. The PIM's prove that. When I say he doesnt play as physical I refer to the big hits that he use to. If he doesnt do that fine. Frolov doesnt, Conroy doesnt....etc etc. But if a teammate needs him, he will drop them.

How do you know you like Nolan's game more in the new NHL?

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I agree with kingsfans25. This is almost exactly my feeling, as well. I'd also add that Nolan would probably stay healthy for more of the season (~70 games each of the last two seasons, compared to ~36 for Lindros). I wouldn't mind either, but I think that, if I had to choose, I'd take Nolan because of fearlessness and health, and trust that he'll be fine in the new NHL.

Lindros missed most of last year because of a hand injury.

Nolan missed 2 years because of a back injury.

A back inury seems a lot more serious.

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He will fight if it comes down to it though. The PIM's prove that. When I say he doesnt play as physical I refer to the big hits that he use to. If he doesnt do that fine. Frolov doesnt, Conroy doesnt....etc etc. But if a teammate needs him, he will drop them.

How do you know you like Nolan's game more in the new NHL?
I might be wrong here. But, as much as I do remember Lindros getting in the middle of some team skirmishes last season, I also remember him being content to hold both his own and his opponents hands down until they were broken up. He might have gotten a major, but I don't know that he did any fighting. ANd really, I'm not criticizing him for it...like I said, every time he chooses to it could jeopardize his career. And, off-topic...for all you JA haters, I do remember him facing off several times in defense of teammates.

Like I said, I find Lindros to be a little too unstable in terms of mentality/confidence. I think Nolan's approach to the game would better suit the Kings' needs right now.

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07-12-2006, 06:07 PM
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You guys should see Lindros' fight against Joe Thornton when Eric was with the Rangers and Joe on Boston. The Big E cleaned his clock.

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You guys should see Lindros' fight against Joe Thornton when Eric was with the Rangers and Joe on Boston. The Big E cleaned his clock.
http://sportsnetwork.com/default.asp...ADN3011573.htm

Can't find a video for it yet.

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Lindros missed most of last year because of a hand injury.

Nolan missed 2 years because of a back injury.

A back inury seems a lot more serious.
Unless I'm mistaken, Nolan's back injury was before he returned and played 65 games for the Leafs. He missed 2 years because of a knee injury. That's serious, too, but Selanne proved that returning successfully from that is very possible.

Also, you could argue that Lindros' injury was a freak one and has no bearing on next season, but you still have to answer the fact that he played only ~36 games each of his last two seasons. That has to be taken into account, too, no matter what the severity of the injuries were.

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Here we go, http://youtube.com/watch?v=0OoFlSMeT...ros%20Thornton

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Unless I'm mistaken, Nolan's back injury was before he returned and played 65 games for the Leafs. He missed 2 years because of a knee injury. That's serious, too, but Selanne proved that returning successfully from that is very possible.

Also, you could argue that Lindros' injury was a freak one and has no bearing on next season, but you still have to answer the fact that he played only ~36 games each of his last two seasons. That has to be taken into account, too, no matter what the severity of the injuries were.
You're right, my bad.

So he has a bad back and bad knees!

We wont get Big E! so I dont know why I am bothering.

I just see Nolan coming back and seeing another JR out there.

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Some more Lindros videos for your entertainment,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1WWT3pl55...dros%20Stevens

This one's funny, http://youtube.com/watch?v=2xYclaO2Z...dros%20Stevens

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After seeing Lindros vs Thornton it would make the Kings vs Sharks that more exciting to watch!!!

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I don't want either one of them. But, like Matt13, Lindros at least played last season. Nolan is old and has sat out for too long.

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But, like Matt13, Lindros at least played last season.
I could make a joke about this...but I'm not going to...

...I want you to remember what could've happened here today and didn't.

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Nolan or Lindros? Honestly, I think both players are done. I mean Nolan hasn't played in 2 years; Lindros only had to miss what a year and a half after all his concussions. After coming back, Lindros hasn't been the same player, so I have my doubts that Nolan would be effective after 2 years off. These two aren't guys you can count on to really make a difference... but if they're going to make less than one million, it wouldn't be too bad. And if I had to choose between the two, I'd choose Nolan as he seems like more of the leader type and a better influence on the kids.

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