HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

Last season for Juneau ???

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-09-2003, 05:12 PM
  #1
Gainey RULZ
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Montreal (St-Hubert)
Country: Canada
Posts: 321
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Gainey RULZ
Last season for Juneau ???

http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chronique...N3FAEF7EC.html

Quote:
"Jouer au hockey était plus agréable dans les années 1980. Le jeu était ouvert, il y avait moins de vidéo, moins de préparation. Aujourd'hui c'est très technique, la préparation à chaque partie est très importante. À 35 ans c'est difficile, c'est un travail d'assistant entraîneur ou presque. Les jeunes sont toujours prêts à recevoir nos commentaires et ils sont très captifs à nos conseils"
Juneau behaves or is like an assistant coach and he doesn't know if he will return next year...

What do you think about that? Did you think he can be our assistant coach next year... or did you think he can be useful on the ice this year and/or next year ??

(Sorry for my english)

Gainey RULZ is offline  
Old
11-09-2003, 05:32 PM
  #2
Rahan
Registered User
 
Rahan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Chicoutimi
Posts: 1,756
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gainey RULZ
[url]
Juneau behas like an assistant coach and he doesn't know if he will return next year...
Just to help you out.. "Juneau says his job looks more like an assistant coach's" would be how you could tell it

"behas" doesn't exist... maybe you could've said "is like an assistant coach" to say he's comparing himself to that.

Keep it up you're improving !

Rahan is offline  
Old
11-09-2003, 05:32 PM
  #3
Lewis63
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: A stick lenght away
Country: Canada
Posts: 630
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gainey RULZ
[url]
What do you think about that? Did you think he can be our assistant coach next year... or did you think he can be useful on the ice this year and/or next year ??
If it's for replacing Special Units coach Guy Charron sure give Juneau a chance! Juneau has been a offensive threat during his early years in the NHL and now he's a defensive specialist. He could be a great Sp Unit coach.

Lewis63 is offline  
Old
11-09-2003, 05:33 PM
  #4
Traitor8
Registered User
 
Traitor8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Country: Iraq
Posts: 4,782
vCash: 500
I think the following players will leave us:

Quintal(retired)
Juneau(retired)
Dackell(UFA)
Perrault(Test Free Agency)
Audette(Buy-out)

replaced by:

KOmisarek
Higgins
Perezhogin
Plekanec
Balej

and I think we should trade Zednik with our 1st and Ribeiro to get a higher first..

and so we can give Kastitsyn a chance to play..

Traitor8 is offline  
Old
11-09-2003, 05:34 PM
  #5
Lewis63
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: A stick lenght away
Country: Canada
Posts: 630
vCash: 500
[QUOTE=rahan]
"behas" doesn't exist... maybe you could've said "is like an assistant coach" to say he's comparing himself to that.
QUOTE]

maybe he was trying to say Juneau "behaves" like an assistant coach...

Lewis63 is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 05:13 AM
  #6
Joe Cole
Registered User
 
Joe Cole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Montreal
Posts: 3,173
vCash: 500
[QUOTE=Lewis63
maybe he was trying to say Juneau "behaves" like an assistant coach...[/QUOTE]




To bad he doesn't behave like Peter Forsberg

In all honesty, you can teach anyone to play defensive, but that scoring touch...that you cannpt teach. So, instead of paying him $2,025,000 a year, get a big man that can skate (Kilger?---$800K) and teach him the defensive game.

It is just bad decision making to pay a mid to low rung defensive forward over $2million a year. That line should be either journeymen (Vanallen $450k) or young big guys with limited offensive skills that you can teach to shadow guys.

This frees up money for the real $$ positions, top D man, big center, goalie (that we have).

Teams should put qualifications and dollar figures per position , then fill those spots accordingly. This is not something that you do overnight, but it is the way that a championship team is built...and then every player knows his responsibilities.

Joe Cole is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 06:06 AM
  #7
onemorecup*
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,062
vCash: 500
[QUOTE=Joe Cole]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis63
maybe he was trying to say Juneau "behaves" like an assistant coach...[/QUOTE



To bad he doesn't behave like Peter Forsberg

In all honesty, you can teach anyone to play defensive, but that scoring touch...that you cannpt teach. So, instead of paying him $2,025,000 a year, get a big man that can skate (Kilger?---$800K) and teach him the defensive game.

It is just bad decision making to pay a mid to low rung defensive forward over $2million a year. That line should be either journeymen (Vanallen $450k) or young big guys with limited offensive skills that you can teach to shadow guys.

This frees up money for the real $$ positions, top D man, big center, goalie (that we have).

Teams should put qualifications and dollar figures per position , then fill those spots accordingly. This is not something that you do overnight, but it is the way that a championship team is built...and then every player knows his responsibilities.
bang on buddy, this is why there will be a lenghty lockout, you can`t pay 1.5- 2.5 mil for third and fourth liners. They are not impact players
if you slot players accordingly, and stick with it , holik is not a 9.5 mil player, why pay him like one?

onemorecup* is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 07:00 AM
  #8
SuperUnknown
Registered User
 
SuperUnknown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,492
vCash: 500
Hopefully he retires... or plays with another team...

SuperUnknown is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 07:08 AM
  #9
NWT Habs Fan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,046
vCash: 500
Juneau plays a lot, and typically against the opponents' top lines game in and game out. He has done all that the team has asked of him, and I have no regrets from what he contributes. It is easy to miss this type of contribution, as it doesn't get on the scoresheet, but it is what helps goalies get 4 shutouts this early in the season.

That being said, at 35 his back isn't what it used to be and all his ice time makes for a long and hard season. Given his current salary and pending UFA status, I would imagine that this is his last year with the CH and possibly even in the league. With players like Kilger, Begin and/or Higgins who could step in as the 3rd line centre, the team has some younger and cheaper options to replace this key role player.

NWT Habs Fan is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 03:32 PM
  #10
Zednikfan20
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 98
vCash: 500
I HATE JUNEAU!!!!!!

Take his ugly face, bad attitude, & bad hockey skills out of Montreal's lineup.

Zednikfan20 is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 03:58 PM
  #11
montreal
Time to Get Down
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Hungary
Posts: 23,272
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zednikfan20
I HATE JUNEAU!!!!!!

Take his ugly face, bad attitude, & bad hockey skills out of Montreal's lineup.


Ribeiro, Perreault, Audette, Juneau,Zendink, Ryder. Those are our top scoring forwards so far, all of them except Juneau are in the minus column. Juneau is playing around 16 minutes a night, and is a +3 with 6 pts. Perreault a -4 with 7 pts. Audette a -4 with 6 pts. Ribs -1 with 8 pts.

I'm not saying Juneau is great or anything, but out of our top 6 scoring forward, he's the only + player. That says something to me.

montreal is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 04:39 PM
  #12
Zednikfan20
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 98
vCash: 500
Ok, but I still hate him

The same can be said for Perreault...he wins the most face offs, & people on this board always say he sucks

Zednikfan20 is offline  
Old
11-10-2003, 08:07 PM
  #13
J-D
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: the dizzle!
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,027
vCash: 500
What Montreal needs is a good stopgap when Juneau leaves, because I don't see any really effective two-way center (Ok Koivu but he's the #1) in our system except Higgins, but he is so young... it'd be risky to hand him Joe's job right off the bat next season.

J-D is offline  
Old
11-11-2003, 01:16 AM
  #14
Mike8
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 10,787
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by J-D
What Montreal needs is a good stopgap when Juneau leaves, because I don't see any really effective two-way center (Ok Koivu but he's the #1) in our system except Higgins, but he is so young... it'd be risky to hand him Joe's job right off the bat next season.
How about simply having 4 balanced lines that are capable of playing good system defensive hockey? For the first time in a long time, Montreal has a fourth line that is not bad defensively. If Begin is caught out on the ice against a scoring line, he can hold his own with inzone coverage.

Koivu can as well.

Say we have the following lineup next season:

Zednik-Koivu-Ryder
Hossa-?-?
Bulis-?-Sundstrom
Langdon-Begin-Kilger/Ward


Question marks to be filled by: Higgins, Plekanec, possibly one of Kilger/Ward, or bringing in a plugger like Wiemer.

Each line would have youth, speed, far more strength, grit and intensity. Most importantly: each player would be system players. As such, Julien wouldn't need to worry as much as he has to now about matchups. The team as a whole would be solid in all three zones, rather than relying on having a decent third line to shadow the opposition.

Thoughts?

Mike8 is offline  
Old
11-11-2003, 01:51 AM
  #15
aHab
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Country: Finland
Posts: 46
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike8
How about simply having 4 balanced lines that are capable of playing good system defensive hockey?

Zednik-Koivu-Ryder
Hossa-?-?
Bulis-?-Sundstrom
Langdon-Begin-Kilger/Ward


Question marks to be filled by: Higgins, Plekanec, possibly one of Kilger/Ward, or bringing in a plugger like Wiemer.

Each line would have youth, speed, far more strength, grit and intensity. Most importantly: each player would be system players. As such, Julien wouldn't need to worry as much as he has to now about matchups. The team as a whole would be solid in all three zones, rather than relying on having a decent third line to shadow the opposition.

Thoughts?
Well obviously that lineup has the same problem Canadiens have been having for years now. No NHL caliber top line talent. Still just one player who can be considered as real top line forward in NHL level.

Zednik is NOT a top line sniper, nor will he ever become one. Same goes with rest of the wingers, prospects included. Centers still too small... Koivu, Ribeiro/Higgins/Plekanec...? All well below 6'0..

1) Get top line talent (outside the organisation)
2) Get talent with size (outside the organisation)

aHab is offline  
Old
11-11-2003, 03:57 AM
  #16
Joe Cole
Registered User
 
Joe Cole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Montreal
Posts: 3,173
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by J-D
What Montreal needs is a good stopgap when Juneau leaves, because I don't see any really effective two-way center (Ok Koivu but he's the #1) in our system except Higgins, but he is so young... it'd be risky to hand him Joe's job right off the bat next season.
Bulis?

Joe Cole is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:34 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.