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07-15-2006, 10:48 AM
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Moving Lewis from Michigan to OHL makes no sense to me. It is simply a lateral movement. Why not let him just go to college? Even if DL wanted him to turn pro in 2 seasons he could have signed Lewis next offseason.
My guess is that the Kings want him playing as many games as possible. In College he would only be playing two games a week. Plus since he's signed when his CHL season is over he could automatically join the Monarchs.

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Moving Lewis from Michigan to OHL makes no sense to me. It is simply a lateral movement. Why not let him just go to college? Even if DL wanted him to turn pro in 2 seasons he could have signed Lewis next offseason.

I don't think it is a lateral move, at least in Major Junior he has the travel schedule and quantity of games that rival an AHL or NHL schedule. Overall talent level is much better as college is more watered down even with the older kids in college. And before anyone starts with the college v. chl crap explain why most gm's want their prospects out of college to develop.

As far as signing him now, why not? If the Kings want the kid why not lock him up asap. Remember, the signing is a two way street, Lewis could have out waited the Kings and become a free agent if he had a change of heart.

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If Lewis is, as has been suggested, a Mormon, won't he be off on a 2 year mission about this time? I believe they normally go about age 19. Didn't the Angels have a top draft-pick that served right after he was drafted?
Not sure if TL is Mormon or not but you are right the Angels drafted McKay Christenson in the 1st round in 1994 and signed him with a clause that allowed him to take his 2 year mission. Incidentally UCLA signed Ben Olson a QB who originally committed to BYU before taking his 2 year Mormon mission. There are quite a few instances of situations like this including NBA stick figure Shawn Bradley.

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I don't think it is a lateral move, at least in Major Junior he has the travel schedule and quantity of games that rival an AHL or NHL schedule. Overall talent level is much better as college is more watered down even with the older kids in college. And before anyone starts with the college v. chl crap explain why most gm's want their prospects out of college to develop.

As far as signing him now, why not? If the Kings want the kid why not lock him up asap. Remember, the signing is a two way street, Lewis could have out waited the Kings and become a free agent if he had a change of heart.
I support the college route due to more training and practicing, but that is beside the point. Not sure what you mean by gm's getting players out of college, by the same logic gm's want to get their players out of the CHL.

Anyways, Lewis probably would not have waited out the Kings. So few players go that route unless they are lowballed by their teams. If they had not signed him he could have gone to college then they could have signed him later.

Anyways, at this point the arguement is useless since he is signed and heading to the OHL, so obviously DL agrees with you.

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07-15-2006, 12:39 PM
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The old man sounds pissed
My big question is why does he feel bad for the kid? The kid is going to play in one of the best developmental leagues in the world. Hes signed to a pro deal. Red let it go these kids are going to do what they feel is best for them not for you and michigan.

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I support the college route due to more training and practicing, but that is beside the point. Not sure what you mean by gm's getting players out of college, by the same logic gm's want to get their players out of the CHL.

Anyways, Lewis probably would not have waited out the Kings. So few players go that route unless they are lowballed by their teams. If they had not signed him he could have gone to college then they could have signed him later.

Anyways, at this point the arguement is useless since he is signed and heading to the OHL, so obviously DL agrees with you.
I don't know about the practices and training WP13, those pesky classes get in the way. I do know the major junior teams practice 5-7 times a week even on game days. They also train on practice days. The school age kids are on condensed schedules and get out earlier than other students. The 18-20 year olds train practice 4-5 hours a day.
I do see your point about the gm's wanting the kids out of the chl but Lewis has never played in college or the chl. At this point in time DL must see that Owen Sound is better than Michigan, maybe that is why Red is bitter.

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I don't know about the practices and training WP13, those pesky classes get in the way. I do know the major junior teams practice 5-7 times a week even on game days. They also train on practice days. The school age kids are on condensed schedules and get out earlier than other students. The 18-20 year olds train practice 4-5 hours a day.
I do see your point about the gm's wanting the kids out of the chl but Lewis has never played in college or the chl. At this point in time DL must see that Owen Sound is better than Michigan, maybe that is why Red is bitter.
Beyond the classes theres also rules put in place by the NCAA to limit pratice time to a certain # of hours a week, as well as requiring that most atheletes also have tutors or a #of hours a week set aside for mandatory study time. Couple this with the fact that most NCAA schedules are only about 40 games a year and its easy to see why if DL thinks Lewis is a star in the making, he would want him signed and in the CHL rather than at Michigan

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Maybe this has nothing to do with Lombardi. Perhaps, Lewis had decided to go to Michigan thinking that if he wasn't drafted, or it was percieved that he didn't have much of a future in hockey, he could at least get an education. And maybe now that he was, he decided that hockey was a viable career for him, and decided to turn pro, and forgo going to college.

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Maybe this has nothing to do with Lombardi. Perhaps, Lewis had decided to go to Michigan thinking that if he wasn't drafted, or it was percieved that he didn't have much of a future in hockey, he could at least get an education. And maybe now that he was, he decided that hockey was a viable career for him, and decided to turn pro, and forgo going to college.
Right. He must be on cloud nine and swelling with confidence because of how much the Kings think of him. He could be thinking, "Wow, maybe the NHL is more of a possibility than I thought, and college doesn't seem like the best path for me, anymore." Probably every month for the last year, he has had to re-assess his direction because his development has been happening so fast.

If a high-powered person came up to you in your life, heaped praise on you, said that you had exceptional corporate smarts and then offered you a high-paying job with unlimited promotion potential in his Fortune-500 company, wouldn't you drop what you're doing and planning and take him up on the offer? That's likely what Trevor's last few weeks have been like.


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Right. He must be on cloud nine and swelling with confidence because of how much the Kings think of him. He could be thinking, "Wow, maybe the NHL is more of a possibility than I thought, and college doesn't seem like the best path for me, anymore." Probably every month for the last year, he has had to re-assess his direction because his development has been happening so fast.

If a high-powered person came up to you in your life, heaped praise on you, said that you had exceptional corporate smarts and then offered you a high-paying job with unlimited promotion potential in his Fortune-500 company, wouldn't you drop what you're doing and planning and take him up on the offer? That's likely what Trevor's last few weeks have been like.
Is DL playing the part of Al Pacino and Trevor Lewis playing the part of Keanu Reeves?

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Is DL playing the part of Al Pacino and Trevor Lewis playing the part of Keanu Reeves?
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My big question is why does he feel bad for the kid? The kid is going to play in one of the best developmental leagues in the world. Hes signed to a pro deal. Red let it go these kids are going to do what they feel is best for them not for you and michigan.
Red is upset that he lost another top recruit to the pro ranks. I have heard from others that the guy truly has the athletes best interest at heart and that he believes a college education is first and foremost. But he has to ask himself if a college education will potentially make his student athletes financially successful in life or signing a pro contract will make the athlete financially successful in life. Which way is best is unknown at this time but ultimately it is the athletes decision and he should wish that person all the best and keep the rest to himself.

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Just for the sake of discussion, can anybody name a few NHL players that have come out of Red's program at Michigan?

Obviously Cammalleri and Tambellini come to mind, but has there been anybody else over say the last 5-10 years?

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Just for the sake of discussion, can anybody name a few NHL players that have come out of Red's program at Michigan?

Obviously Cammalleri and Tambellini come to mind, but has there been anybody else over say the last 5-10 years?
Brendan Morrison, John Madden, Mike Knuble, Mike Van Ryn, Mike Comrie, Cammalleri, Tambellini, Andy Hilbert, Jeff Jillson, Marty Turco, etc.

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John Madden
Mike Knuble
Brendan Morrison
Steve Shields
Bill Muckalt
Marty Turco
Mike Comrie
Andy Hilbert
Jeff Jillson
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Eric Nystrom

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Also add Aaron Ward to that list.

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Ah yes. That's true. I've also noticed a number of former players that Red coached have gone onto coaching themselves. Oh and former King Brad Jones was a product of Mr. Berenson and the Big M.

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Thanks - I was fairly certain about Comrie, but was unaware of the rest.

There's a certain similarity among the forwards on that list. Maybe it's better for Lewis to play in a more offensive development system.

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Also add Aaron Ward to that list.
Also add, Mike Komisarek, Mike Van Ryn, Bubba Berenzwig, Jeff Norton, Blake Sloan and Chris Tamer.


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Berenson also said similar things when Hilbert and Cammalleri left school early.

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does anyone know if someone owns his chl rights ? like blake wheeler, and jack johnson, and kessel etc, these guys arent drafted into the whl but are added to their 50 player protected list.

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does anyone know if someone owns his chl rights ? like blake wheeler, and jack johnson, and kessel etc, these guys arent drafted into the whl but are added to their 50 player protected list.
Rumors have it he'll be playing in Owen Sound, so they must have his rights.

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does anyone know if someone owns his chl rights ? like blake wheeler, and jack johnson, and kessel etc, these guys arent drafted into the whl but are added to their 50 player protected list.
Lewis wasn't CHL drafted, so I'm pretty sure whoever he wants to play for he can.

He wasn't considered especially promising when he was CHL draft eligible (unlike Toews, who somehow went #1 overall and went to college anyway).

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Berenson also said similar things when Hilbert and Cammalleri left school early.
Yeah, it's no big secret that Red doesn't like losing players early (or heck, in this case before they even step foot on campus), so hearing him say something like that isn't surprising. But as some of us Wolverine fans have touched on before, we think it's just the manner in which some of them choose to leave. Some guys are straight forward in their intentions, while some have not been...typically telling the coaches they were definitely coming back then out of the blue they leave without warning. Those are the ones that sting the most because it's usually too late to fill that hole in the lineup with a suitable replacement.

BTW, MGoBlue.com (official site) keeps an up-to-date list of Wolverines in the pros for whoever asked about it earlier.

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