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07-16-2006, 02:02 AM
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I honestly don't really care what Habs fans think. They have a tendency to turn on a player. So regardless of what the guy does on the ice they just drive him from the team...

They're not wrong. He's slow, and soft. He's a good playmaker, but that's it.

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07-16-2006, 02:13 AM
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Markov is far, far better than he's being given credit for in this thread.

I love Frolov, but a Frolov for Markov deal is fair value. However, Souray and Ribiero for Visnovsky is not.

Losing Belanger and Labarbera for any return is a good deal at this point.

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07-16-2006, 02:59 AM
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Markov is far, far better than he's being given credit for in this thread.

I love Frolov, but a Frolov for Markov deal is fair value. However, Souray and Ribiero for Visnovsky is not.

Losing Belanger and Labarbera for any return is a good deal at this point.

No, it's really not a fair value. Markov is being given credit, but he's one year away from free-agency, and Frolov is locked up for four more years at very reasonable dollars.

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07-16-2006, 11:45 AM
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The overwhelming consensus is that Ribeiro is garbage.
OK, but Habs fans turn on their guys like it's no ones business.

Lubo = Markov
Ribeiro > Belanger
Souray > JLB , 3rd round pick

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07-16-2006, 11:55 AM
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OK, but Habs fans turn on their guys like it's no ones business.

Lubo = Markov
Ribeiro > Belanger
Souray > JLB , 3rd round pick
There is no way I'd say Ribeiro is better than Belanger.

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07-16-2006, 11:59 AM
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Losing Belanger and Labarbera for any return is a good deal at this point.
Just so Habs fans now what Belanger is like
Jan Bulis < Eric Belanger
Why do you guys hate Belanger? He is a very good 3rd line center and he doesn't want top 6 minutes unlike Bulis. The Avery-Belanger-Kostopolous line was one of the more productive lines for the Kings last season. Ever since those comments he made to that Montreal radio station came out a lot of Kings fans have started hating Belanger.


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07-16-2006, 12:00 PM
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Just so Habs fans now what Belanger is like
Jan Bulis = Eric Belanger
Belanger might even be a little better. Why do you guys hate Belanger?
i disagree... i think that Bulis is a little bit better than Belanger.

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07-16-2006, 12:13 PM
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i disagree... i think that Bulis is a little bit better than Belanger.
Ask Montreal fans they will tell you that Bulis was probably the worst 20 goal scorer last year. They are both very similar in style. Both of them have the potential to be in the top 6 but there is just something holding them back. They are both very valuable as two way 3rd line centers but not if they try to be scorers.

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07-16-2006, 12:20 PM
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A lot of the Kings players (Norstrom, Belanger, Avery, etc.) were playing out of their comfort zone last season because of injuries and lack of depth. As a 3rd line guy Belanger is very valuable.

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07-16-2006, 12:24 PM
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As a 3rd line guy Belanger is very valuable.
I disagree. He's too small to be an effective 3rd line center. He doesn't hit and is not good defensively. His forte was supposedly defensive zone faceoffs, and yet he seemed to lose most of them. He's a tweener. His offensive skills are there, but he's still not good enough to be a 2nd line center.

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07-16-2006, 12:26 PM
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There is no way I'd say Ribeiro is better than Belanger.
I'd say they are both pretty similar, but Ribiero is the better playmaker, and Belanger has more wheels. Both are soft and small.

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07-16-2006, 01:50 PM
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Lubo = Markov
I haven't seen much of Markov play, but I have a hard time believing this. Vish is one of the top offensive D-men in the league and he only makes $1.8M.

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I haven't seen much of Markov play, but I have a hard time believing this. Vish is one of the top offensive D-men in the league and he only makes $1.8M.
But Markov brings the things that Lubo doesn't. They might not be equal, but their pretty close. I didn't want to be a homer.

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07-16-2006, 01:57 PM
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But Markov brings the things that Lubo doesn't. They might not be equal, but their pretty close. I didn't want to be a homer.
Probably aren't that far apart, but Lubo's contract gives him the edge.

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Probably aren't that far apart, but Lubo's contract gives him the edge.
I can agree with that.

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07-16-2006, 02:18 PM
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It doesnt matter....If the Kings can come to an agreement with Ryder the Kings are sending JLB , Brent Sopel , Alex Frolov , Eric Belanger, our 3rd round pick and our 3rd pick in 2008 to Montreal for Andrei Markov , Sheldon Souray , Micheal Ryder and there 2nd this year.

And we get to keep Lubo.

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It doesnt matter....If the Kings can come to an agreement with Ryder the Kings are sending JLB , Brent Sopel , Alex Frolov , Eric Belanger, our 3rd round pick and our 3rd pick in 2008 to Montreal for Andrei Markov , Sheldon Souray , Micheal Ryder and there 2nd this year.

And we get to keep Lubo.
No they aren't.

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No they aren't.
We`ll see wont we?

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We`ll see wont we?
And this one is your own prediction, right...not from the radio?

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And this one is your own prediction, right...not from the radio?
Correct This is my own.

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you guys should make that little bet interesting... $$$

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you guys should make that little bet interesting... $$$
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07-16-2006, 03:14 PM
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Just so Habs fans now what Belanger is like
Jan Bulis < Eric Belanger
Why do you guys hate Belanger? He is a very good 3rd line center and he doesn't want top 6 minutes unlike Bulis. The Avery-Belanger-Kostopolous line was one of the more productive lines for the Kings last season. Ever since those comments he made to that Montreal radio station came out a lot of Kings fans have started hating Belanger.
Here's my beef with Belanger:

The last two seasons have shown that he is not defensively adequate enough to play on the Kings' top checking line. He makes far too many poor decisions away from the puck - he misses his assignments down low, leaves the zone way too early when a loose puck is created without Kings' possesion, and is just an awful penalty killer. He doesn't have that ability to keep his head on a swivel, and gets burned badly on backdoor plays and cross ice passes. He doesn't bear down in his zone.

He was badly misused by Andy Murray over the past couple of seasons. His first few years in the league were played behind defensively capable centers in Stumpel and Smolinski - Belanger never had to take the key defensive shifts. Once those two left, Belanger was put into a role that he is just not meant to play.

This leads you to ask where he should best be played. Does he have enough skill to be a top-6 center? Apparently not. He does have some skills: a quick release; usually more than solid in the circles; excellent "slash" skating to create quicker breakout attacks, and some clutch scoring.

However, he's a poor passer, inconsistent and injury prone. You can't look at his point totals and claim he is a solid 3rd line center -they are fools gold. He doesn't provide what is needed for that role, and he doesn't seem to be able to play in the top-6. He is a tweener, and you can't expect to win with tweeners in key positions on your squad.

Eric Belanger is a lot like Yanic Perrault and Mike Sillinger. Both of those guys have marketable skills, but lack the the requiered defensive aptitude to play on your top checking line. Once a team realizes that they don't provide enough to justify their salary and roster spot, they are moved on to another team. I beleive Belanger will be the same if he ever leaves the Kings.

I don't hold any of his supposed comments against him. I didn't hear them, and don't know those who did hear them well enough to trust their opinions.

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07-16-2006, 03:19 PM
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It doesnt matter....If the Kings can come to an agreement with Ryder the Kings are sending JLB , Brent Sopel , Alex Frolov , Eric Belanger, our 3rd round pick and our 3rd pick in 2008 to Montreal for Andrei Markov , Sheldon Souray , Micheal Ryder and there 2nd this year.

And we get to keep Lubo.
So where would Belanger play behind Koivu, Ribeiro, Bonk, Begin and Murray? They have already converted Higgins to the wing, and he's a better player than Belanger.

Where are they going to send Labarbera? Even if they send Aebischer to Florida, he'd still be their third string goalie with a one-way contract.

Why would they trade their two best defensemen in exchange for Sopel?

Obviously Frolov would be the key to such a deal, but it makes no sense for Montreal to even consider this trade with the rest of that return.

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It doesnt matter....If the Kings can come to an agreement with Ryder the Kings are sending JLB , Brent Sopel , Alex Frolov , Eric Belanger, our 3rd round pick and our 3rd pick in 2008 to Montreal for Andrei Markov , Sheldon Souray , Micheal Ryder and there 2nd this year.

And we get to keep Lubo.
From what I hear this is not that far off the only thing that will be different is no third round pick Canadians want Joe Ryan instead of draft pick.

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