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07-18-2006, 09:56 AM
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Lets say the Sens were interested in AO

Could the Caps turn down an offer of

Heatley
Meszaros
Lee
Kaigorodov
1st rd pick

For

Ovechkin

Would the Caps turn that offer down? Its a slow summer, just trying to kill some time.

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07-18-2006, 09:57 AM
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Could the Caps turn down an offer of

Heatley
Meszaros
Lee
Kaigorodov
1st rd pick

For

Ovechkin

Would the Caps turn that offer down? Its a slow summer, just trying to kill some time.
that caps take that an run... I would

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I'd take it, but it's hard to say what the caps would do. For all it would likely improve their team, they also have to keep fans coming in and generally trading your franchise player doesn't improve that. Especially when no one player you're getting back is quite as exciting.

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that caps take that an run... I would

I like Ovechkin. Imagine him paired with Spezza, 80 goals would be possible.

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I like Ovechkin. Imagine him paired with Spezza, 80 goals would be possible.
Remember Heatley isn't that old and has had good seasons... 50 goals 90+ points...
Mez is a young star...

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Could the Caps turn down an offer of

Heatley
Meszaros
Lee
Kaigorodov
1st rd pick

For

Ovechkin

Would the Caps turn that offer down? Its a slow summer, just trying to kill some time.
Yes they probably would though it would be a great deal for Washingotn the PR aspects of it would be a nightmare.

This exact deal would be great for Crosby with Malkin and Staal coming on and the Penguins being deeper in talent then the Caps and needing blue chip defenceman this could make Pittsburgh an immediate contender almost next year and certainly the season after. But they wouldn't trade Crosby either for PR reasons though the move makes a ton of sense from a hockey perspective.

Of course it doesn't make sense for Ottawa to make either deal.

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Of course it's possible...But why trade him? He's the face of that franchise after only 1 year! And he seems to really enjoy it too!

If the Caps can find someone that actually enjoys being a Cap, you keep him there as long as possible.

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Could the Caps turn down an offer of

Heatley
Meszaros
Lee
Kaigorodov
1st rd pick

For

Ovechkin

Would the Caps turn that offer down? Its a slow summer, just trying to kill some time.
Ottawa wouldn't offer that trade, would kill them in the future. Caps might not do it either. However, its the best proposal of the day that i have read. Though i've only read 4, and those 4 sucked.

Odds of 11-2 the post aftermine involves a certain player.

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Odds of 11-2 the post aftermine involves a certain player.
Your on.

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Remember Heatley isn't that old and has had good seasons... 50 goals 90+ points...
Mez is a young star...

I know, as a Sens fan I would not make the deal. I was just thinking, we could make that offer and land Ovechkin. I cant wait till training camp opens in September.

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I like Ovechkin. Imagine him paired with Spezza, 80 goals would be possible.
AO likes to work by himself though.

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AO likes to work by himself though.
How do you know? Its not like the Caps had a playmaking center for AO to play with.

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AO likes to work by himself though.
I don't think so. Why do you think they drafted Backstrom and AO handed him the jersey?

And if this trade were to happen (which it won't, AO staying in washington) I think it's more likely Alfie would be dropped over Heatly.

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The PR hit the Caps would take wouldn't be worth it. Though if I'm the Caps and they would be willing to deal with Ottawa, Spezza would have to be going the other way imo.

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Could the Caps turn down an offer of

Heatley 50 goal 100 point player
Meszaros future 1st line Dman
Lee Potential first line Dman
Kaigorodov 2nd line center
1st rd pick Potential 1st-2nd line player

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Ovechkin 50 goal 100 point player

Would the Caps turn that offer down? Its a slow summer, just trying to kill some time.
Do you really think Muckler is that stupid?

In a cap system Ottawa gets hosed big time.

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Do you really think Muckler is that stupid?

In a cap system Ottawa gets hosed big time.
Ovechkin hit 50 goals and 100 points in his rookie season. Try 80 goal 140 point player in his prime.

Spezza and Ovechkin would be the best combo in the game. Id think about making that move, with UFA age be lowerd the Sens could pick up missing pieces on the market.

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Ovechkin hit 50 goals and 100 points in his rookie season. Try 80 goal 140 point player in his prime.

Spezza and Ovechkin would be the best combo in the game. Id think about making that move, with UFA age be lowerd the Sens could pick up missing pieces on the market.
Is that written in stone? Sens still wouldn't have cap space to pick up missing pieces, those pieces would be overpriced garbage and Ottawa would be riding the pine trying to make the playoffs.

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Is that written in stone? Sens still wouldn't have cap space to pick up missing pieces, those pieces would be overpriced garbage and Ottawa would be riding the pine trying to make the playoffs.
How so? The Sens save 4-5 million dollars instantly from this deal. I am sure they can find another defenseman for that money. Ovechkin is an upgrade over Heatley
and I am sure we can find a D-man to replace meszarous with the cap space. We are contenders now, lets win a cup.

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caps nor pens would trade crosby/ovechkin no matter if the deal is very lobsided and even if they get the way better end of it...

think of the marketing surrounding those guys the teams would lose more money by trading them and specially pens cant take that risk....ovechkin is a keeper they will build around him....

there is no way in hell one of them gets traded b4 they hit the age of 25 lol

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The Caps would want more, the Sens would be stupid to give it.

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Do you really think Muckler is that stupid?

In a cap system Ottawa gets hosed big time.
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Could the Caps turn down an offer of

Heatley 50 goal 100 point player
Meszaros future 1st line Dman
Lee Potential first line Dman
Kaigorodov 2nd line center
1st rd pick Potential 1st-2nd line player

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Ovechkin 50 goal 100 point player


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Heatley is a 50 goal 100 point player and a potential 55-60 goal 110-120 point guy
Kaigdorodov is a potential 2nd line centre
1st round pick from the Sens is well likely a later round pick and could be a top 6 player or not

Ovechkin is a 50 goal 100 point guy with the potential to score 65-75 goals and get 120-150 points. Potential to be the best player in the NHL.

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caps nor pens would trade crosby/ovechkin no matter if the deal is very lobsided and even if they get the way better end of it...

think of the marketing surrounding those guys the teams would lose more money by trading them and specially pens cant take that risk....ovechkin is a keeper they will build around him....

there is no way in hell one of them gets traded b4 they hit the age of 25 lol
While I don't think Washington would trade AO, Pittsburgh could get away with trading Crosby for a lopsided deal such as this because they have a really mature and knowledgeable fan base and Malkin and Staal plus a top forward to make up for Crosby. Fans could see this as a hugely great hockey deal that greatly improves the team long term and doesn't hurt short term either. Pittsburgh has been spoiled by having a top superstar every year since well 1984 with Lemieux-Jagr-Crosby. They could deal with having a loaded contender without the best player in the NHL.

Washington doesn't have as great or knowledgeable of fans. It might hurt them more in PR to deal AO.

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How so? The Sens save 4-5 million dollars instantly from this deal. I am sure they can find another defenseman for that money. Ovechkin is an upgrade over Heatley
and I am sure we can find a D-man to replace meszarous with the cap space. We are contenders now, lets win a cup.
Instantly? How are your math skills? Adding a second line defenseman and a good second line center will be well over 4 million, Peca got 2.5m and he's a 3rd line center, Corvo got 2.625m and he's a 3rd line dman. There goes the 4-5m. On top of that we lose our prospects who could be first line material and will go with some journeymen players who have already attained their potential and are on the decline yet they will be overpayed because that's the market right now.

Would this trade ensure a Stanley Cup for the Sens?

No because you need more than one scoring line to win the Cup not three lines of 3rd and 4th line players

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Replace Kaigorodov with Phillips and I think the Caps would do it.

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I wouldn't do that deal for Ottawa. Too much to give for one player no matter how good IMO.

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