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5 Proposals Involving: Det, Buf, Mtl, Chi, Nash & Pho.

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07-18-2006, 01:25 PM
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5 Proposals Involving: Det, Buf, Mtl, Chi, Nash & Pho.

Hot summer nights...

Proposal #1

BUFFALO


Need not say anything for we all know.

To Detroit: G Martin Biron, RW Max Afinogenov and (D Jeff Jillson or Nathan Paetsch).

To Buffalo: G Chris Osgood, LW Jiri Hudler, D Mathieu Schneider, 3rd rounder 08 and D Derek Meech.

Salary remains about the same depending on what Max gets in arbitration.

OR

To Detroit: G Martin Biron, RW JP Dumont, and (D Jeff Jillson or Nathan Paetsch).

To Buffalo: C Robert Lang, G Stefan Liv and LW Jiri Hudler.

Buffalo saves a little on the salary side.

Proposal #2

CHICAGO


Chicago needs everything but two of the big sports, especially if Rutuu goes down with yet another injury, are a scoring center and veteran defender. Do these come close?

To Chicago: C Robert Lang and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Jim Vandermeer and RW Michael Blunden.

OR

To Chicago: D Mathieu Schneider and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Jim Vandermeer and RW Michael Blunden.

Proposal #3

MONTREAL


Montreal is in need of a big scoring center according to some published reports as well as the here say on message boards, would this be close?

To Montreal: C Robert Lang.

To Detroit: D Sheldon Souray and 4th rounder 07

OR

To Montreal: C Robert Lang and LW Jiri Hudler.

To Detroit: D Mike Komisarek and RW Alexander Perezhogin.

Proposal #4

NASHVILLE


Their depth chart shows that they are deep in defenseman, Detroit is very shallow in that department, would any of the following work?

To Nashville: C Robert Lang, LW Jiri Hudler and 2nd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Shea Weber or D Dan Hamhuis.

OR

To Nashville: C/RW Jason Williams and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Ryan Suter.

Proposal #5

PHOENIX


Phoenix has decent defensive depth and there is a rumor that they want to unload Nagy so with that in mind would this be even close?

To Phoenix: LW Jiri Hudler, RW/C Jason Williams, D Derek Meech and 1st rounder 07.

To Detroit: D Keith Ballard and LW Ladislav Nagy.


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PHOENIX[/B]

Phoenix has decent defensive depth and there is a rumor that they want to unload Nagy so with that in mind would this be even close?

To Phoenix: LW Jiri Hudler, RW/C Jason Williams, D Derek Meech and 1st rounder 07.

To Detroit: D Keith Ballard and LW Ladislav Nagy.
I'm not Barnett but I'd give you a big fat no on this one.

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I don't like either of the montreal proposals.

In my mind Souray > Lang
Mike Komisarek + Perezhogin >> Lang + Hudler

I don't understand why I see Lang to montreal in so many proposals, We already don't have enough room for the forwards that we have, in my viewing if lang is coming a forward is going not a defensemen.

After reading all of the proposals, I might be blind and under rate some of detroits players but in my eyes all teams get fleeced by detroit.

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Lang for Vandy and Blunden!

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Detroit wins every deal IMO.

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PHOENIX[/B]

Phoenix has decent defensive depth and there is a rumor that they want to unload Nagy so with that in mind would this be even close?

To Phoenix: LW Jiri Hudler, RW/C Jason Williams, D Derek Meech and 1st rounder 07.

To Detroit: D Keith Ballard and LW Ladislav Nagy.
Most of those Proposals are weak from Detroit. but the Phoenix proposal is so bad it hurts my eyes.

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In order (the first idea for a trade with a team is the "A", the second is the "B"):

1A. Buffalo fans would have to comment here.
1B. It *might* save Buffalo salary, but at least Dumont has hit 20 goals a couple times; Hudler is by no means a lock to ever do it once, and it just guts the Sabres in net as Liv has proven *nothing* in North America yet.

2. Why get Blunden and make Chicago wait until '08 for a pick?

3A. Make it "Lang for Souray" straight up and you might get somewhere; the Habs shouldn't have to throw in a pick to take on another $1.5M or so in salary.
3B. No way do Habs fans go for this.

4A. This is just flat out horrible.
4B. This is even worse.

5. You're getting back a strong young defenseman and a forward arguably hitting his prime for ... a potential bust, an undersized forward who has shown flashes but isn't going to be a top-6 player, yet another prospect, and a 1st. Not as bad as the proposals with Nashville (which are flat out brutal), but that's not saying much.

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1A Value is probably fair, but im a big fan of Max, so it's a personal no. Other Sabres fans may think differently.
1B Definate no, no interest in Lang and wouldn't trust Liv as back-up (prepared to be proved wrong, but no at this point) and I'm indifferent to Hudler.

Jillson is much more expendable than Paetsch at this point, JJ is horribly inconsistent.

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Proposal #4

NASHVILLE

Their depth chart shows that they are deep in defenseman, Detroit is very shallow in that department, would any of the following work?

To Nashville: C Robert Lang, LW Jiri Hudler and 2nd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Shea Weber or D Dan Hamhuis.

OR

To Nashville: C/RW Jason Williams and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Ryan Suter.


Seriously though dude, wth?

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Proposal #5

PHOENIX


Phoenix has decent defensive depth and there is a rumor that they want to unload Nagy so with that in mind would this be even close?

To Phoenix: LW Jiri Hudler, RW/C Jason Williams, D Derek Meech and 1st rounder 07.

To Detroit: D Keith Ballard and LW Ladislav Nagy.
As a Coyote fan, it beats a sharp stick in the eye...oh wait, give me that stick, in fact, give me two sticks.

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Wow as a Nashville fan, I'd have to pass.

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Proposal #3 MONTREAL

Montreal is in need of a big scoring center according to some published reports as well as the here say on message boards, would this be close?

To Montreal: C Robert Lang.
To Detroit: D Sheldon Souray and 4th rounder 07
Maybe. But probably not. Even if we do need a big scoring center, the ship has probably sailed now on us being able to create a big gaping hole in our Top-4 D. Before the UFA period wrapped up, when the argument might still have been made that such a gap could be filled on the market, such a move could have worked, maybe. Now... Samsonov, Johnson, the contract-vote-of-confidence to Ribeiro... all suggests that we're ready to try our offensive luck without adding the big scoring center that was originally the ideal target. Aebischer for Lang might still fly from our side, though.
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To Montreal: C Robert Lang and LW Jiri Hudler.
To Detroit: D Mike Komisarek and RW Alexander Perezhogin.
Well, no. Lang might be interesting as a swap of potential headaches or redundant players (previously Zednik, potentially Aebischer, and at a stretch maybe Souray given his age and impending UFA status). But no-way no-how do the key youth elements like Komisarek or Perezhogin come into it.

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why do you so badly want to get rid of Hudler? lost faith in him?

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Hot summer nights...

Proposal #1

BUFFALO


Need not say anything for we all know.

To Detroit: G Martin Biron, RW Max Afinogenov and (D Jeff Jillson or Nathan Paetsch).

To Buffalo: G Chris Osgood, LW Jiri Hudler, D Mathieu Schneider, 3rd rounder 08 and D Derek Meech.

Salary remains about the same depending on what Max gets in arbitration.

OR

To Detroit: G Martin Biron, RW JP Dumont, and (D Jeff Jillson or Nathan Paetsch).

To Buffalo: C Robert Lang, G Stefan Liv and LW Jiri Hudler.

Buffalo saves a little on the salary side.

Proposal #2

CHICAGO


Chicago needs everything but two of the big sports, especially if Rutuu goes down with yet another injury, are a scoring center and veteran defender. Do these come close?

To Chicago: C Robert Lang and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Jim Vandermeer and RW Michael Blunden.

OR

To Chicago: D Mathieu Schneider and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Jim Vandermeer and RW Michael Blunden.

Proposal #3

MONTREAL


Montreal is in need of a big scoring center according to some published reports as well as the here say on message boards, would this be close?

To Montreal: C Robert Lang.

To Detroit: D Sheldon Souray and 4th rounder 07

OR

To Montreal: C Robert Lang and LW Jiri Hudler.

To Detroit: D Mike Komisarek and RW Alexander Perezhogin.

Proposal #4

NASHVILLE


Their depth chart shows that they are deep in defenseman, Detroit is very shallow in that department, would any of the following work?

To Nashville: C Robert Lang, LW Jiri Hudler and 2nd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Shea Weber or D Dan Hamhuis.

OR

To Nashville: C/RW Jason Williams and 3rd rounder 08.

To Detroit: D Ryan Suter.

Proposal #5

PHOENIX


Phoenix has decent defensive depth and there is a rumor that they want to unload Nagy so with that in mind would this be even close?

To Phoenix: LW Jiri Hudler, RW/C Jason Williams, D Derek Meech and 1st rounder 07.

To Detroit: D Keith Ballard and LW Ladislav Nagy.
Dude just give it up you suck at proposals.

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the phoenix one sucks. why would they ever do that. Why would we ever trade ballard right now. NO WAY FROM PHOENIX

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1a = no from Buff
1b = maybe

2a = no from Chi
2b = no from Chi

3a = maybe, but closer to no from MTL
3b = no from MTL

4a = no from Nas
4b = Heck no from Nas

5 = OMG No from Phoenix

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He's trolling. Just ignore him.

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1A. Buffalo fans would have to comment here.
1B. It *might* save Buffalo salary, but at least Dumont has hit 20 goals a couple times; Hudler is by no means a lock to ever do it once, and it just guts the Sabres in net as Liv has proven *nothing* in North America yet.
To comment on 1A. -- Buffalo has a fairly set top 6. Schneider brings nothing they don't already have in Campbell or Numminen but at the cost of BOTH. Hudler's waiverbait at this point and without a roster spot up front (which Buffalo doesn't have), his inherent value is limited. So Detroit gets the best player in the deal (Max) and it does very little to help Buffalo except lower their backup cost and continue to clutter up their forwards. In a word: NO.

1B. -- Yes, that might save Buffalo a little salary, but that's more to do with arbitration. It does stick them a $5 million dollar centre when the already have Briere to get signed... so that would also be a NO.

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Detroit wins every deal IMO.

I think that's the goal...

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4B counter offer - Adam Hall and a 2nd round pick in 07 for Nic Kronwall.

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on the plus side, let's hope this reigns in c4w's one sided wings win proposals. on the negative, DAMN are those horribly leaning in the wings favor.

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these type of proposals belong on letsgowings.com not hfboards.com

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these type of proposals belong on letsgowings.com not hfboards.com
They wouldn't last much longer over there.

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They wouldn't last much longer over there.
No. No they wouldn't.

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I have trouble following your logic. You want 3rd round pick for Lang being sent to Chicago, team in your *own* division - yet ask Souray AND 4th from eastern conference team.

Souray requested (in event he was going to get traded) to be sent to California. While Gainey has no obligation to do this, it would be a classy move. Which pretty much kills this trade idea (fortunately).

As for other Habs related proposal... Komisarek is our only young defenceman on the team. You wont get players like him (or even Perezhogin) for 35 year old 3.8M salary dump. Besides we have plenty of Hudler type, small and skilled prospects of our own.

Aebischer for Lang, straight up, is about the only trade I'd see making sense between the Detroit and Montreal. Why arent you looking into that? Hes younger and cheaper than Biron and capable starter.

But even then theres question what are Habs going to do with Mike Ribeiro... well...

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