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07-19-2006, 03:13 PM
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Gleason , Cammy , Brown

According to XTRA Sports AM570 the Kings are trying to sign Tim Gleason , Micheal Cammaleri , Dustin Brown to 4 year contracts. They are also trying to sign Eric Belanger and Sean Avery to 1 year contracts.

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Belanger already signed earlier today. Would be nice to get Gleason, Cammalleri and Brown locked up to 4 year deals though. They are part of the future core of this team.

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that would be nice to lock up those guys for 4 years.

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Belanger already signed earlier today. Would be nice to get Gleason, Cammalleri and Brown locked up to 4 year deals though. They are part of the future core of this team.
Yeah sorry, I didnt read that until after I posted.

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They're already "locked-up" as RFAs. It will likely cost the Kings a bigger CAP hit in the early years...

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They're already "locked-up" as RFAs. It will likely cost the Kings a bigger CAP hit in the early years...
True.

For now I would just try and sign Cammy to a long term deal.

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They're already "locked-up" as RFAs. It will likely cost the Kings a bigger CAP hit in the early years...
And it'll be well worth it I'd venture to say....

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And it'll be well worth it I'd venture to say....
Yeah. It'd be nice knowing that we had these guys locked up every year for the next four instead of waiting and wondering every off season whether they were going to hold out or go to arbitration. It would also be a welcome change from the way things were once done here; having guys go to arbitration and management hearing them say bad things about them, and that leading to animosity toward that organization.

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i hope so... the only concern i'd have is that they'd all hit free agency at the same time.

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Yeah. It'd be nice knowing that we had these guys locked up every year for the next four instead of waiting and wondering every off season whether they were going to hold out or go to arbitration. It would also be a welcome change from the way things were once done here; having guys go to arbitration and management hearing them say bad things about them, and that leading to animosity toward that organization.
I agree with what you've said here BUT there's also the chance that in the last year or two the players regret having signed for what could be less than market value...

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07-19-2006, 04:34 PM
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... BUT there's also the chance that in the last year or two the players regret having signed for what could be less than market value...
oh now why'd you have to go and stir the pot by mentioning Visnovsky that way KingBlazer

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07-19-2006, 04:37 PM
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Cammalleri might end up a little unexpectedly expensive if it's for 4 years, since he's eligible to be a UFA in 3 years. Of course, it'll be worth it; I'm just throwing it out there to prepare everyone.

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Lombardi's problems in SJ were ownership NOT allowing him to re-sign his RFA's to contracts for what they were worth, so he always had to low ball them, piss them off, and/or trade them, eventually getting the axe himself ..... IF the XTRA Sports AM570 report is true at least it appears Lombardi has learned from that and is trying to get things done NOW, which is a good thing ... and may also mean Lieweke IS actually letting Lombardi run the ship and spend the money, which is also a good thing ... I hope it's true, might be a little bit more of a CAP hit than we expected for this year, but we have the room to do it, and like Frolov's and Visnovsky's long term contracts, should these kids continue to progress into solid NHL stars then long term the contracts may end up looking like bargins and we'll have the CAP room in 2 or 3 years right about the time for a string of cup runs .... get it done Dean !

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I agree with what you've said here BUT there's also the chance that in the last year or two the players regret having signed for what could be less than market value...
Could be a problem for sure, but with the UFA age being lower, I don't think players will feel as trapped with their contracts as they once did.

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Could be a problem for sure, but with the UFA age being lower, I don't think players will feel as trapped with their contracts as they once did.
Again, another good point...

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If they do go long term with these three, I'd guess that each of them will close to a $2M CAP hit this season, maybe even a bit higher...

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If they do go long term with these three, I'd guess that each of them will close to a $2M CAP hit this season, maybe even a bit higher...
Which is rather irrelevent. This team isn't a contender today, so this is precisely the time for the team to lock these guys up to longer team deals. Yes, their cap hit now will be higher than it otherwise would be. However, and far more importantly, their cap hit will likely be lower in 3/4 years when this team should be a legitimate contender. It's a calculated risk but one the Kings should make.

As for the dollar figures, if we are talking 4 years, I bet Cammalleri would get 10-12 million. And Brown & Gleason around 8-10. So the 2m Cap hit might be a bit on the low side.

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Which is rather irrelevent. This team isn't a contender today, so this is precisely the time for the team to lock these guys up to longer team deals. Yes, their cap hit now will be higher than it otherwise would be. However, and far more importantly, their cap hit will likely be lower in 3/4 years when this team should be a legitimate contender. It's a calculated risk but one the Kings should make.

As for the dollar figures, if we are talking 4 years, I bet Cammalleri would get 10-12 million. And Brown & Gleason around 8-10. So the 2m Cap hit might be a bit on the low side.
Do they have the room to add let's say $7-8 million this season? It could become rather relevant...

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via the salary chart we're trying to keep up on LGK the Kings had about $5 mil additional to the min QO's to add to the payroll, you figure each was gonna get at or just over a Mil via their min QO's, now add an extra Mil or more so per player (assume Cammy will get slightly more), so if they sign the kids to big money deals that'll about max out the cap for this year, or put it real tight.


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Do they have the room to add let's say $7-8 million this season? It could become rather relevant...
That's for DL and his accountants to concern themselves with. I'm fairly certain they can fit into the cap, there just wont be much room left elsewhere.

And that is what I'm referring to with respect to 'irrelevence'. Some overly optimistic individuals (not referring to you necessarily) would blast management for overpaying these guys "now" in a misguided belief that we are 1 or 2 pieces away from being a legit team. (while ignoring the potentially huge benefit of having these guys signed to relatively cheaper deals in the future, when the Kings are more ready to contend)

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That's for DL and his accountants to concern themselves with. I'm fairly certain they can fit into the cap, there just wont be much room left elsewhere.
When I looked at the NHLPA site I think they were at about $34M in salary for this season not including Thornton's $1.5M. I think Frolov's CAP # is a quite a bit higer ($0.9M) than this years salary, LaBarbera's is a bit lower ($50k), and so on. Adding $8-million could be tight...

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And that is what I'm referring to with respect to 'irrelevence'. Some overly optimistic individuals (not referring to you necessarily) would blast management for overpaying these guys "now" in a misguided belief that we are 1 or 2 pieces away from being a legit team. (while ignoring the potentially huge benefit of having these guys signed to relatively cheaper deals in the future, when the Kings are more ready to contend)
I pretty much agree, so long as the CAP doesn't do a downward thing over the next couple of seasons...

Edit: I was looking at Michigan Wolverine's CAP numbers on LGK and it looks as though the Kings are at about $37M not including Avery, Cammalleri, Brown and Gleason.


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