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07-20-2006, 10:04 PM
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Am I the only one that feels that Rachunek is not that good that we would be better off bringing off a youngster than having him play?
Why do you think he won't be that good?

He's going to get a chance in training camp to prove that the 10+ games he played here before the lockout (when everyone was playing piss poor) were in the past. If he doesn't make the team out of training camp, then he will be traded. It's a win-win situation. Rachuncek has talent and is still young enough to have potential. If he can put it together in the NHL the way he has in Russia the last two seasons, he could turn out to be the most valuable addition to the lineup this season.

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Actually there is one mistake. We are gonna Bring Montoya up and Make Weekes our GM.

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Kasparaitis gives Grant Marshall "The Peoples Elbow"

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Why? Hossa is terrible. I hope we trade him.

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07-21-2006, 11:00 AM
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I don't understand why people would want Shanahan to play right wing. He still has one of the most lethal one-timers in the history of the NHL. Putting him on the right side doesn't play to his strength.

Straka - Nylander - Jagr
Shanahan - Cullen - Prucha
Ward - Immonen - Hall
Hossa/Hollweg - Betts - Ortmeyer

Malik - Rozsival
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07-21-2006, 11:02 AM
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I hope you are right i really do. I think Staal makes the team out of camp and has legit shot to stay in the NHL after his 10 games..With that being said I don't know how you can say he is better than our other Dmen. At this stage he might not even be better than Strudwick. He isn't our #1 defenseman now nor should it even be brought up around him. (on a board is one thing but something like that in the mind of a young player could be disaster)

What about him makes you think he is not only ready for the Rangers but ready to take a GIANT leap to franchise DMan?
Because of what I've heard of his talent and make-up. He's a young kid who can skate, play the physical game, and handle the offensive game. Usually the keepers make the big leaps and keep their jobs...I see it for him

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Who is the 4th line center if Betts goes down? Does Ward slide over? Can Helminen play center?

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Who is the 4th line center if Betts goes down? Does Ward slide over? Can Helminen play center?

Helminen is a center.

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Who is the 4th line center if Betts goes down? Does Ward slide over? Can Helminen play center?

Greg Moore? Move Straka to C and demote Immonen?

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07-21-2006, 03:07 PM
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Because of what I've heard of his talent and make-up. He's a young kid who can skate, play the physical game, and handle the offensive game. Usually the keepers make the big leaps and keep their jobs...I see it for him
His talent and makeup? The keepers don't usually make the big leap infact being patient with the kid is probably the smart thing to do. (the rangers don't need staal to develop in the nhl order to show they are rebuilding)

I think he will make the team but my expectations and I hope the Rangers expectations are much lower than yours. I hope you aren't think Dion Phaunff because Staal is a much different sort of player.

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His talent and makeup? The keepers don't usually make the big leap infact being patient with the kid is probably the smart thing to do. (the rangers don't need staal to develop in the nhl order to show they are rebuilding)

I think he will make the team but my expectations and I hope the Rangers expectations are much lower than yours. I hope you aren't think Dion Phaunff because Staal is a much different sort of player.

So what, I'm not allowed to get excited over the kid? I'm not supposed to believe he can come up here, make a statement, and get big line minutes right off the bat? I'm sure he's gonna be able to and give him a few games, you'll be begging for his move up

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So what, I'm not allowed to get excited over the kid? I'm not supposed to believe he can come up here, make a statement, and get big line minutes right off the bat? I'm sure he's gonna be able to and give him a few games, you'll be begging for his move up
Dude you are allowed to think whatever you want. I hope he comes here and makes a big statement but my point is it shouldn't be expected. Have you even seen him play a game to make such bold statements? He might not be a #1 defenseman for 3 years let alone after a few months in the NHL.

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Dude you are allowed to think whatever you want. I hope he comes here and makes a big statement but my point is it shouldn't be expected. Have you even seen him play a game to make such bold statements? He might not be a #1 defenseman for 3 years let alone after a few months in the NHL.

All I expect is for him to fit right in and get big minutes, it's not like we have any other top of the knotch defenseman

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Interesting article on the Bulletin:

http://ordinaryleastsquare.typepad.c...shirtbulletin/

I disagree with some of the assessments - most likely Prucha and Shanny both play in their natural spots, but... the mix of styles would seem to suit better if you combine Prucha's and Shanny's game on the same line (despite the fact that one of them is playing his off wing), which would then push Hall back to the third line. If Betts gets a spot on the team, I think it's 4th line center and even there he's at risk of losing his job to Dubinsky - or Ward if they move Prucha/Shannahan. And, if Immonen impresses, he could climb as high as 2nd line. Despite his recent signing, I don't think Ortmeyer has a guaranteed spot and could get moved. I do agree that Dawes is probably in the A until an injury frees up space. Unless Colton Orr has really improved his skills over the summer I don't see him ever playing more than a couple of games a season. And of course I think Hossa has a real shot at LW on the 3rd line (although I know most of you don't agree).

[Interestingly, espn.com lists Prucha as a RW if you go to the roster page. Not that they know that much about hockey.]

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Interesting article on the Bulletin:
[Interestingly, espn.com lists Prucha as a RW if you go to the roster page. Not that they know that much about hockey.]
To be honest it's pretty hard to keep track of forward positions, and ESPN is certainly not alone in labeling players with not the most recent one. When you factor in guys like Cullen, Straka and Prucha who can play multiple positions, then it becomes more difficult.

Realistically a lot of players no longer really have a "natural" position as such, just the one they played when they came into the leauge, or perhaps have been playing for some years.

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All I expect is for him to fit right in and get big minutes, it's not like we have any other top of the knotch defenseman
What makes you have these expectations? What makes you think he will "fit right in" and get big minutes?

Have you seen him play any games to make you think this?

Not having any other top notch defenseman (which is debatable) doesn't mean Staal should be rushed..

Dude i hope and pray you are right about him being ready but to "EXPECT" it is to much to ask of a 19 year old.

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Interesting article on the Bulletin:

http://ordinaryleastsquare.typepad.c...shirtbulletin/

I disagree with some of the assessments - most likely Prucha and Shanny both play in their natural spots, but... the mix of styles would seem to suit better if you combine Prucha's and Shanny's game on the same line (despite the fact that one of them is playing his off wing), which would then push Hall back to the third line. If Betts gets a spot on the team, I think it's 4th line center and even there he's at risk of losing his job to Dubinsky - or Ward if they move Prucha/Shannahan. And, if Immonen impresses, he could climb as high as 2nd line. Despite his recent signing, I don't think Ortmeyer has a guaranteed spot and could get moved. I do agree that Dawes is probably in the A until an injury frees up space. Unless Colton Orr has really improved his skills over the summer I don't see him ever playing more than a couple of games a season. And of course I think Hossa has a real shot at LW on the 3rd line (although I know most of you don't agree).

[Interestingly, espn.com lists Prucha as a RW if you go to the roster page. Not that they know that much about hockey.]
Prucha is probably listed as a right winger because he's a right-handed shot. Although, especially in Europe, right-handed shots tend to either play the off wing (left side) or do a lot of cross-overs during play so they can set up on the left side and get a solid shot off (something that Prucha showed he can do very well).

I honestly don't like the idea of playing Prucha and Shanahan together because they are both right-handed shots (and have real scoring ability from the left side). I suspect, all things being equal (and no other roster moves amongst the fowards), to see a secord line of Shanahan/Cullen/Hall with a third line of Prucha/hopefully Immonen/Ward. If Betts is centering that line for whatever reason, then I really think both Prucha (who Betts showed ZERO chemistry with) and Ward will be lucky to score 15-20 goals between them at even strength. Betts just doesn't have any passing ability in the offensive zone.

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Prucha is probably listed as a right winger because he's a right-handed shot. Although, especially in Europe, right-handed shots tend to either play the off wing (left side) or do a lot of cross-overs during play so they can set up on the left side and get a solid shot off (something that Prucha showed he can do very well).

I honestly don't like the idea of playing Prucha and Shanahan together because they are both right-handed shots (and have real scoring ability from the left side). I suspect, all things being equal (and no other roster moves amongst the fowards), to see a secord line of Shanahan/Cullen/Hall with a third line of Prucha/hopefully Immonen/Ward. If Betts is centering that line for whatever reason, then I really think both Prucha (who Betts showed ZERO chemistry with) and Ward will be lucky to score 15-20 goals between them at even strength. Betts just doesn't have any passing ability in the offensive zone.
That's why I can see them trying to make a deal for a 2nd line center. Say EDGE is on target with his speculation about Marleau...put Marleau between Shanny and Hall, with Cullen sliding down to the third line, with at least Ward on his RW, and we are looking at a MUCH more dynamic team.

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Matt Cooke who is rumored to be available who will need a raise. Maybe Sather can pull off a Cooke for Hossa and Rozsival type deal or something. Cooke would give us more grit and works hard and is a pest.
Do we need a matt cooke? Isn't Dubi a very similar player with a better offensive upside? That trade has us trading for something we already have. No need IMO.

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That's why I can see them trying to make a deal for a 2nd line center. Say EDGE is on target with his speculation about Marleau...put Marleau between Shanny and Hall, with Cullen sliding down to the third line, with at least Ward on his RW, and we are looking at a MUCH more dynamic team.
Straka-Nylander-Jagr
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Prucha-Cullen-Ward

I dont know about anyone else but I like it. What exactly would have to happen to take Marleau away from San Jose though? In my opinion, a third team would have to get involved.

To start, something like this...?

SJ Recieves:
Weekes

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Marleau

Team 3 Recieves:
Nabokov

Valiquette would then be our backup so Montoya could play top minutes in AHL.

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Straka-Nylander-Jagr
Shanahan-Marleau-Hall
Prucha-Cullen-Ward

I dont know about anyone else but I like it. What exactly would have to happen to take Marleau away from San Jose though? In my opinion, a third team would have to get involved.

To start, something like this...?

SJ Recieves:
Weekes

NYR Recieves:
Marleau

Team 3 Recieves:
Nabokov

Valiquette would then be our backup so Montoya could play top minutes in AHL.
I'm assuming those are just the starting points for such a deal...I don't see how we're going to get a young center who just put up career numbers for a back up goalie coming off a .500 season with a GAA of 3. As the saying goes, I'd drive Weekes to SJ if needed to make that deal happen.

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To start, something like this...?

SJ Recieves:
Weekes

NYR Recieves:
Marleau

Team 3 Recieves:
Nabokov
Yes, to start.

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