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Colorado/Nash/NJ *Proposal*

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07-19-2006, 06:40 PM
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Colorado/Nash/NJ *Proposal*

Colorado Gets:
Legwand
4th Round Pick 2008(Nash)

NJ Gets:
1st Round Pick 2007(Nashville)
1st Round Pick 2008(Nashville)
Turgeon
Steeves
(clear roughly 3-3.5 million in payroll depending on what Gomez gets)

Preds Get:
Gomez
5th Round Pick 2008 NJ
2nd Round Pick 2007-2008(which ever Colorado Gets from Calgary)

Avs get a legit, though thus far letdown, talent in Legwand who still holds 2nd line potential and move the salary of Turgeon which would let them afford Legwand.

NJ gets a few solid picks as well as a solid prospect in Steeves. Turgeon is not the Turgeon of old but could still serve as a 2nd line center or a filler role player on the roster for this year(contract done after this season) . Devils clear all cap trouble in one move.

Preds get a center combo of Gomez and Arnott. Between letting Walker walk and trading Hall and Legwand the Preds clear the salary for Gomez.

Minor changes in the draft picks might need to be shifted around, but...

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07-19-2006, 07:34 PM
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DONE from the New Jersey perspective. I think they would take that, and run far, far away!

But why the hell do the Preds have to give up 2 first round draft picks?!

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07-19-2006, 07:48 PM
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Because they are getting Gomez a 2nd and a 5th back in return....

That for

2 1st Round Picks, Legwand, and a 4th is a reasonable fee.


With their current roster, the Preds 1st round picks are likely to be on the low end anyways, more like high 2nd round picks..

It fills holes and improves every club involved(Devils lose talent in the short run, but have potental to gain it back in the long run) .

Turns Nash into instant cup contender, Gives the Avs a much needed skilled center and moves a Fan's wipping boy, and makes the cap look alot nicer to the Devils without getting ***** in the process.


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I've always wanted to see Turgeon in a Devils Jersey...

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I've always wanted to see Turgeon in a Devils Jersey...
No you don't. But i'd take this deal.

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07-19-2006, 07:59 PM
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sounds like the avs make out like bandits here.

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sounds like the avs make out like bandits here.
sorry didnt see 2nd round pick to Nash

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No thanks. We not trying to rebuild.

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I don't really see why Colorado is involved in this. Why not just send Legwand and picks for Gomez?

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Because Colorado is subsidzing the deal by sending a 2nd to Nashville and clearing salary for the Preds. Colorado is paying NJ and Nashville to take Turgeon off their hands in a way, as Legwand(unsigned) and a 4th are not = to a 2nd, Steeves, and Turgeon(in terms of raw talent) but in cap space it makes the deal workabe for the Avs.

Legwand is likely to get more than the 1.5 million than Turgeon is getting, thus lessening the value for him going to NJ and the Avs are sending a tangable asset in Steeves to NJ and providing a temporary stopgap in Turgeon.

It also prevents Nashville from giving up too much in terms of picks by themselves..

Its about balance.

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No thank you.

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Or, we can wait, play this season with what we have and sign Gomez next offseason, then make a better run when our young core has a little more experience, and Gomez doesn't cost us any future players.

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07-19-2006, 10:48 PM
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thats a steal for nj with the picks, maybe one and a 3rd or somthing like that would be more reasonable?

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thats a steal for nj with the picks, maybe one and a 3rd or somthing like that would be more reasonable?
For Gomez? How many 1st Rounders in every draft have a resume like his? 2 or 3 in a good year. And Nashville's pick is likely to be low with or without Gomez. I'd consider this deal in March if the Devils are out of the playoff hunt, but this is strictly a rebuilding proposal. Why would the Devils need to rebuild?

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07-20-2006, 06:56 AM
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You're persistent, I'll give you that. Again I'll disagree with you. Gomez is a top-10 center and a top-5 passer. There will be plenty of teams wanting his services IF the Devils need to trade him. There will certainly be teams who will offer picks only, but there will be others willing to offer good players who can contribute now. So if the Devils do trade Gomez, it will not be a rebuilding-type of trade IMO. We're not going to get back picks or prospects. A Gomez-for-Stoll type of trade would be more likely.

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07-20-2006, 07:05 AM
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DONE from the New Jersey perspective. I think they would take that, and run far, far away!

But why the hell do the Preds have to give up 2 first round draft picks?!
I doubt it. Lou Lamoriello and the New Jersey Devils would likely not take prospects and picks in a trade. The prime objective of the organization is to compete for the Stanley Cup Championship each and year.

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That is a foolish comment. The Devils have Brodeur, Elias, Langenbrunner and Colin White locked up for over the next half-decade. They also have shutdown-center John Madden locked up for three more seasons, and young players like Zach Parise, Paul Martin and David Hale in the mix to go with prospects Andy Greene, Travis Zajac and Nick Bergfors.

Once again, the New Jersey Devils do not rebuild! They reload for another run at the Stanley Cup Championship! Do you understand that?

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07-20-2006, 07:21 AM
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Actually my last post wasn't a comment on finances, it was just a really small profanity.
Ahh. Well then $ you.

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Or, we can wait, play this season with what we have and sign Gomez next offseason, then make a better run when our young core has a little more experience, and Gomez doesn't cost us any future players.
The Devils will probably have more cap space then your team does in 07/08. Of course you can try.


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Considering the size of this proposal, it is very well thought out. This addresses the needs of every team involved, and is very well thought out. From the Avs perspective, I don't have much of an interest in Legwand, but the package we would deal for him is not over the top, and he could still pan out as it is.

Well done, dude!

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First of all, how much does Turgeon make?

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07-20-2006, 12:51 PM
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Nashville gets ***** in this proposal. By all means go for it!

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The Devils will probably have more cap space then your team does in 07/08. Of course you can try.
Exactly why this would be a bad deal. If you lose him as UFA in three years you gave up 3 players for a one year rental.

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Once again, the New Jersey Devils do not rebuild! They reload for another run at the Stanley Cup Championship! Do you understand that?
No doubt they will be looking to reload, but with what?

They are going to need to clear 3-4 million in cap space this year, not many smart people argue against that. Devils might get lucky and have one of the M&M's cleared off by some magic.. but thats doubtful from what we know of the CBA.

How are they going to get roughly an equal talent that helps them in the cap regard? Also they might be pressed for time if Gomez does get to arbitration and is awarded too much(it could bump them over the 10% overage allowed against the cap in the summer)


Teams with a player in the 1-2 million per year range that is just under or equal to Gomez's talent are not going to want to make a move for him? You expect them to get Malkin or Crosby in return?

Best case for NJ is to load up on picks and maybe nab a prospect thats not quite ready yet. If Gomez gets 5-6 million(rumor has it he is compairing Richards contract and numbers for his value) Lou is going to have to move fast or pass on him, making him UFA.

NJ is still a cup contender even if they move Gomez and don't add a major player.. and Turgeon is likely to be a 40-50 point man at least if they play him on the 2nd line, might even be a 60-70 point man if he finds time on the Elias-Gionta line.....

Gomez is worth alot, but the Devils cap space, and relative lack of cap space or self imposed salary max by teams out there will reduce the cost to picks/prospects, and maybe one roster player if the money can be made to work.

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No doubt they will be looking to reload, but with what?

They are going to need to clear 3-4 million in cap space this year, not many smart people argue against that. Devils might get lucky and have one of the M&M's cleared off by some magic.. but thats doubtful from what we know of the CBA.

How are they going to get roughly an equal talent that helps them in the cap regard? Also they might be pressed for time if Gomez does get to arbitration and is awarded too much(it could bump them over the 10% overage allowed against the cap in the summer)


Teams with a player in the 1-2 million per year range that is just under or equal to Gomez's talent are not going to want to make a move for him? You expect them to get Malkin or Crosby in return?

Best case for NJ is to load up on picks and maybe nab a prospect thats not quite ready yet. If Gomez gets 5-6 million(rumor has it he is compairing Richards contract and numbers for his value) Lou is going to have to move fast or pass on him, making him UFA.

NJ is still a cup contender even if they move Gomez and don't add a major player.. and Turgeon is likely to be a 40-50 point man at least if they play him on the 2nd line, might even be a 60-70 point man if he finds time on the Elias-Gionta line.....

Gomez is worth alot, but the Devils cap space, and relative lack of cap space or self imposed salary max by teams out there will reduce the cost to picks/prospects, and maybe one roster player if the money can be made to work.
The Avs have their own problems. Don't come looking for the Devils to help you out. Will take our business somewhere else.

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Right now all we're doing is getting prepared for it, doing the best we can, being as fair as possible, and once we see where everything comes out - then we'll go from there," Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said Wednesday from New Jersey. "But as far as looking beyond what hypothetically might happen, it's not in my vocabulary."

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Gomez + 5th round pick

for

1st Rounder + 1st Rounder + Turgeon + Steeves?

DONE

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