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07-19-2006, 08:01 PM
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Phi-Ana Proposal

Ducks get:
Simon Gagne
Robert Esche
pick/prospect

Flyers get:
JS Giguere
Corey Perry
Shane O'Brien

My first proposal so i am expecting to get ripped apart, feel free

i thought that since flyers were having problems signing gagne this might work

gives flyers another highly rated young canadian, starting goaltender and very good prospect in obrien

ducks get top line lw which they need, backup that can start if bryz falters

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07-19-2006, 08:10 PM
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ehh... not the worst i have seen but Philly would not do it.

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07-19-2006, 08:13 PM
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Philly can get a better deal than that for Gagne. If these teams did put a deal together though, I think Clarke would be asking for Bobby Ryan over Perry for sure.

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Unless Gagne's signed long term for 4 million or less I'd pass.

The deal does favor the Ducks in the short term though.

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the Ducks arent going to move Perry

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the Ducks arent going to move Perry
i wouldnt be to sure, i have heard rumours of him being on the block. We have a lot of youngsters and solid prospects and of three top rookie forwards (penner, perry, getzlaf) i would say perry is the one most likely to be traded, if any are traded

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07-19-2006, 08:52 PM
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Only way I see this happening is if Gagne won't sign with the Flyers. Let's say he gets 5 million a year the flyers would probably look to dump Hatcher or Rathje, or perhaps Primeau retires.

Signing Hatcher and Rathje sure sucks now.

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07-19-2006, 09:02 PM
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Only way I see this happening is if Gagne won't sign with the Flyers. Let's say he gets 5 million a year the flyers would probably look to dump Hatcher or Rathje, or perhaps Primeau retires.

Signing Hatcher and Rathje sure sucks now.
We have room for Gagne and too many guys signed to one-way deals. I think the Sanderson signing definately indicates that Primeau is done. We had about 7 mil remaining (10 if Primeau is gone) to sign Gagne so even after the Sanderson signing, we should still have plenty of room to get Simon signed long term (we'll see how much Geoff got).

I don't see him being traded and I definately don't see him being traded for a package centered around a goaltender when it looks clear that the Flyers are ready to give the team to Niittymaki. The value of the deal isn't terrible, but I don't think the Flyers would have any interest in acquiring a high salaried goaltender when that clearly wasn't the problem last year in the regular season and certainly not in the playoffs (despite what the numbers look like, Esche played very well).

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rework this deal without a goalie and with a pretty good young defensemen and youll have me interested.

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Maybe:
Vishnevski
Perry

For

Gagne
Pick

The thing is, Perry could easily outscore Gagne in 2-4 years, and Gagne w/o Forsberg could equal a typical 30-35 goal season. A risk for the Ducks to take, they BADLY need forward depth, especially scoring forwards, but something I'd do if I could get Gagne locked up.

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Any deal would have to include Giguere because of salary cap reasons.

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07-20-2006, 09:56 AM
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Philly can get a better deal than that for Gagne. If these teams did put a deal together though, I think Clarke would be asking for Bobby Ryan over Perry for sure.
You think he can ask for both? I mean I know he can but would Ducks say yes? Details could be worked out Flyers can add a player (not Pitkanen, Carter, Umberger or Richards) from the roster (no Nedved) and a pick or prospect or swap goalies.


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07-20-2006, 10:25 AM
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At this point in time
Esche = Giguere
Gagne >>>>>>>>>> Perry

In the future, Gagne > Perry.

The pick vs O'Brien - it's a tossup

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Any deal would have to include Giguere because of salary cap reasons.
But including Giguere kind of defeats the purpose of trading Gagne. This deal doesn't really save the Flyers much cash.

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Maybe:
Vishnevski
Perry

For

Gagne
Pick

The thing is, Perry could easily outscore Gagne in 2-4 years, and Gagne w/o Forsberg could equal a typical 30-35 goal season. A risk for the Ducks to take, they BADLY need forward depth, especially scoring forwards, but something I'd do if I could get Gagne locked up.
You canít base trades on hypothetical assumptions. Right now Gagne is the much better player.

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At this point in time
Esche = Giguere
Gagne >>>>>>>>>> Perry

In the future, Gagne > Perry.

The pick vs O'Brien - it's a tossup

Thanks, but no thanks.
Esche=Giguere? I think not.

Next!

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But including Giguere kind of defeats the purpose of trading Gagne. This deal doesn't really save the Flyers much cash.
Yes, but the Ducks most likely would have to trade Giguere in order to afford Gagne. It doesn't make too much sense anyways.

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Esche=Giguere? I think not.

Next!
Talent wise, yes. For 2 guys who are looking at back rolls with either team I 'll take Esche for $1mm over Giguere at $4mm every time.

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Esche=Giguere? I think not.

Next!
He does in a cap world.

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Talent wise, yes.
Talent wise no. Giguere is a much better goalie. Trade value is in favor of Esche because of his salary, but not in talent.

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Talent wise no. Giguere is a much better goalie. Trade value is in favor of Esche because of his salary, but not in talent.
That's up for debate, but I'll go with it. So Giguere is better than Esche. He's not enough better than Esche to make the rest of the proposal even mildly attractive to Philadelphia.

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07-20-2006, 06:41 PM
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Ducks get:
Simon Gagne
Robert Esche
pick/prospect

Flyers get:
JS Giguere
Corey Perry
Shane O'Brien

My first proposal so i am expecting to get ripped apart, feel free

i thought that since flyers were having problems signing gagne this might work

gives flyers another highly rated young canadian, starting goaltender and very good prospect in obrien

ducks get top line lw which they need, backup that can start if bryz falters

Flyers are trying to move a goalie cause they think they have the guy they want as number one already--so getting Giggy fails for that reason--also--CAp space

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07-20-2006, 06:47 PM
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That's up for debate
I highly doubt you'd be able to convince anybody that Esche is a better goalie than Giguere. Salary is a big factor so that'd be why Esche has more trade value.

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Why would the Flyers be willing to take on Giggy's salary?
Bobby Clarke has made it pretty clear that Goalie is the position he feels he can save a little bit of cash.

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