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07-19-2006, 10:04 AM
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Habs Top 20 Prospect list

Hey guys,

I just wanna get a general consensus on our Top 20 prospects with the addition of the 2006 draftees. i'm gonna post a thread on the prospects board after asking other teams to post their top 20.....ours should be one of the best as i don't know if anybody can match out incredible depth. Me might even have to leave some players out...So...who's first to post their Top 20???

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I'm not sure if you mean a list by potentialor by NHL readiness so I went by potential. Here's my humble list for what it's worth...

1) Carey Price
2) Andrei Kostitsyn
3) Guillaume Latendresse
4) Kyle Chipchura
5) Alexei Emelin
6) Mikhail Grabovsky
7) David Fisher
8) Sergei Kostitsyn
9) Ryan O'Byrne
10) Mathieu Carle
11) Matthew D'Agostini
12) James Wyman
13) Oskari Korpikari
14) Yann Danis
15) Jean-Philippe Côté
16) Benjamin Maxwell
17) Juraj Mikus
18) Mathieu Aubin
19) Jon Gleed
20) Gregory Stewart

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What a top 20!!!

1) Carey Price
2) Andrei Kostitsyn
3) Guillaume Latendresse
4) David Fisher
5) Kyle Chipchura
6) Mathieu Carle
7) Mikhail Grabovsky
8) Benjamin Maxwell
9) Yann Danis
10) Alexei Emelin
11) Ryan O'Byrne
12) Maxim Lapierre
13) Ryan White
14) Jaroslav Halak
151) Matthew D'Agostini
16) Corey Locke
17) Sergei Kostitsyn
18) Juraj Mikus
19) Mathieu Aubin
20) Oskari Korpikari

And without Higgins, Perezhogin, Plekanec and Ferland!!!

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Hey guys,

I just wanna get a general consensus on our Top 20 prospects with the addition of the 2006 draftees. i'm gonna post a thread on the prospects board after asking other teams to post their top 20.....ours should be one of the best as i don't know if anybody can match out incredible depth. Me might even have to leave some players out...So...who's first to post their Top 20???
Depends on where the cut off is for age. Danis is 25 now, Cote 24, plus if you don't include Perezhogin/Higgins/Pleks/Murray since they are full time NHLers.

The top 5 would likely have Kostitsyn, Price, Latendresse, Chipchura and imo Grabovsky. I still consider Emelin and O'Byrne as our top D prospects but in time I could see Fischer and maybe Carle moving ahead of them down the road. I think it's very easy to get carried away with new prospects. Every time there's a draft, people seem to rank the newest prospects high but my personal opinion is to go with results over potential. But I also understand that with new guys you have to look at their upside, just that it's hard to place upside over players that are actually doing really well. But I still get heat for not ranking Price higher, since some consider him our top prospect.

So imo our top prospects not in any order, Kostitsyn, Price, Latendresse, Chipchura, Grabovsky, Emelin, O'Byrne. Around here I would consider guys like Lapierre, Fischer, Siarhei Kostitsyn, and Halak.

Then guys like D'Agostini, Aubin, Maxwell, Carle, Mikus.

The bottom group is really hard since opinions will likely vary widely. Korpikari, Ferland, Heino, White, Lemieux, Wyman.

To me guys like Sanford, Paquet, Stewart, Lambert and Archer are on the outside but close. Sanford did lead the Dogs in scoring for defensemen, can create offense for sure. Paquet is still very raw but has a good base of skills and physical abilities, at 19 he's still got a ways to go. Stewart I like more then most, he's a hard working energy player that does whatever he can to help his team win. Lambert is far down the list but he has a lot of intertesting skills and I hope to see him have a big year in Hamilton. He needs someone to feed him the puck but he's got a really good shot. Archer I also hope he has a big year in Hamilton.

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I would say something like that (I know it's a bit risky) :


1- Andrei Kostytsin
2- Carey Price
3- Yann Danis
4- Guillaume Latendresse
5- Kyle Chipchura
6- Mikhail Grabovski
7- Alexei Emelin
8- David Fischer
9- Ryan O'Byrne
10- Sergei Kostytsin
11- Ben Maxwell
12- Mathieu Aubin
13- Maxim Lapierre
14- Juraj Mikus
15- Matt D'Agostini
16- Oskari Korpikari
17- Corey Locke
18- Chris Heino-Lindberg
19- Garth Murray
20- Ryan White

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Thanks for the responses so far!! Thats awesome!!

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07-19-2006, 10:51 AM
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Hey guys,

I just wanna get a general consensus on our Top 20 prospects with the addition of the 2006 draftees. i'm gonna post a thread on the prospects board after asking other teams to post their top 20.....ours should be one of the best as i don't know if anybody can match out incredible depth. Me might even have to leave some players out...So...who's first to post their Top 20???
depth is one thing , a more realistic question is this , out of the top 20
who will seriously play for us one day. It is great to have solid talent , but
there is no way that half on that list will ever play for us , due to the numbers game, duplication of player, etc.. PRICE, HALAK, DANIS, for example one player for sure can`t play for us. Realistically PRICE,LATS, S.KOSTY, PEREZ , PLEKS, O`BYRNE, FISHER,WHITE, MAXWELL, EMELIN ,CHIPS are about the only ones that will see action with us.

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I would say something like that (I know it's a bit risky) :


1- Andrei Kostytsin
2- Carey Price
3- Yann Danis
4- Guillaume Latendresse
5- Kyle Chipchura
6- Mikhail Grabovski
7- Alexei Emelin
8- David Fischer
9- Ryan O'Byrne
10- Sergei Kostytsin
11- Ben Maxwell
12- Mathieu Aubin
13- Maxim Lapierre
14- Juraj Mikus
15- Matt D'Agostini
16- Oskari Korpikari
17- Corey Locke
18- Chris Heino-Lindberg
19- Garth Murray
20- Ryan White

Garth Murray wasn't a prospect, imo...

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I would say something like that (I know it's a bit risky) :


1- Andrei Kostytsin
2- Carey Price
3- Yann Danis
4- Guillaume Latendresse
5- Kyle Chipchura
6- Mikhail Grabovski
7- Alexei Emelin
8- David Fischer
9- Ryan O'Byrne
10- Sergei Kostytsin
11- Ben Maxwell
12- Mathieu Aubin
13- Maxim Lapierre
14- Juraj Mikus
15- Matt D'Agostini
16- Oskari Korpikari
17- Corey Locke
18- Chris Heino-Lindberg
19- Garth Murray
20- Ryan White
You prefer Heino Linberg to Halak?

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You prefer Heino Linberg to Halak?
Good point!

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Garth Murray wasn't a prospect, imo...
For the prospect listing of hockeys future (we're on HfBoards) a player remains a prospect until he plays 65 nhl games and Garth Murray played in 56 games http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...id%5B%5D=31004


And for Halak, I forgot him and yes he would be above Heino-Lindberg ...

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For the prospect listing of hockeys future (we're on HfBoards) a player remains a prospect until he plays 65 nhl games and Garth Murray played in 56 games http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...id%5B%5D=31004


And for Halak, I forgot him and yes he would be above Heino-Lindberg ...
I was just asking like that....it could have been a personal choice...a few people are really high on Heino-Lindberg...

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I was just asking like that....it could have been a personal choice...a few people are really high on Heino-Lindberg...
For Heino-Lindberg I just saw a couple of video of him, he seems great but I think Halak have better chances to earn a spot in NHL someday (probably as backup) than Heino. Anyway we'll see ...

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1. Andrei Kostitsyn
2. Carey Price
3. Guillaume Latendresse
4. Kyle Chipchura
5. David Fischer
6. Yann Danis
7. Mikhail Grabovsky
8. Alexei Emelin
9. Maxim Lapierre
10. Mathieu Carle
11. Ben Maxwell
12. Matt D'Agostini
13. Jaroslav Halak
14. Ryan O'Byrne
15. Pavel Valentenko
16. Juraj Mikus
17. Ryan White
18. Corey Locke
19. Chris Heino-Lindberg
20. Oskari Kopikari

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depth is one thing , a more realistic question is this , out of the top 20
who will seriously play for us one day. It is great to have solid talent , but
there is no way that half on that list will ever play for us , due to the numbers game, duplication of player, etc.. PRICE, HALAK, DANIS, for example one player for sure can`t play for us. Realistically PRICE,LATS, S.KOSTY, PEREZ , PLEKS, O`BYRNE, FISHER,WHITE, MAXWELL, EMELIN ,CHIPS are about the only ones that will see action with us.
You shouldn't look at who will play for the Canadiens, but who will play in the NHL. It doesn't matter if they go on to a great career with another team, IF we get something in return. They could trade the extra goalie for a forward, or whatever.

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1. Latendresse
2. Grabovski
3. Halak
4. Price
5. Kostitsyn
6. Perezhogin
7. Chipchurra
8. D'Agostini
9. Lapierre
10. S. Kostitsyn
11. Cote
12. Emelin
13. Fischer
14. O'Byrne
15. Danis
16. Aubin
17. Carle
18. Mikus
19. Ferlund
20. Maxwell


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Just a little note..... many times over the last couple of years I've visited Cornell's website......they often state that Gleed is a better defenseman than O'Bryne. I've never seen either play so I have to rely on these reports to get updates of our players in the US system.

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I'd say each player in each category could be rearranged in any order but based on my preferences...

Top notch prospects
1) Kyle Chipchura 7.5B (obviously I'm higher on this guy than most here)
2) Andrei Kostitsyn 8.0C
3) Guillaume Latendresse 8.0C
4) Carey Price 8.0C

Above average prospects
5) Mikhail Grabovsky 7.5C
6) Alexei Emelin 7.5C
7) David Fisher 7.5C
8) Ryan O'Byrne 7.0B
9) Matt D'Agostini 7.0B
10) Sergei Kostitsyn 7.0C
11) Mathieu Aubin 7.0C

Average prospects
12) JP Coté 6.0A
13) Maxim Lapierre 6.0B
14) Jonathan Ferland 6.0B

Question mark prospects
15) Mathieu Carle 7.0D
16) Ben Maxwell 7.0D
17) Juraj Mikus 7.0D
18) Oskari Korpikari 6.5C
19) Ryan White 6.5C
20) Jaroslav Halak 6.5C


Rating might be a bit off on some, I haven't given hours of thoughts on this, I'd say it's a list based on gut feeling from either the numerous or limited viewings I've had of each of these players, more so than an extensive analysis.

I'd say past the top-14 you can really rearrange them in any order it doesn't really matter, i have a really hard time rating those last 6, Mikus especially since I must say I haven't seen a lot of him, so his rating could be very off.

As for my favorites in this bunch as far as style of play and intangibles, I'd say Chipchura, Latendresse, Emelin, O'Byrne, D'Agostini, Côté, Lapierre and Ferland.

I also consider Danis as graduated.


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Just a little note..... many times over the last couple of years I've visited Cornell's website......they often state that Gleed is a better defenseman than O'Bryne. I've never seen either play so I have to rely on these reports to get updates of our players in the US system.
Gleed is a year older, and there's a huge difference between pro and college level. O'Byrne has everything you need to be a successful pro... Look at the Hobey Baker curse. It's not a shot at O'Byrne to say he wasn't the best Cornell d-man...

O'Byrne, by all accounts, has been a success thus far in his development. Gleed is a character d-man with limited upside, O'Byrne is fulfilling some of the promise that made him a 3rd rounder in a deep 2003 class as a Tier II 18 year old junior.

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1) Carey Price
2) Andrei Kostitsyn
3) Guillaume Latendresse
4) Kyle Chipchura
5) Ryan O'Byrne
6) Alexei Emelin
7) David Fisher
8) Mikhail Grabovsky
9) Benjamin Maxwell
10) Matthew D'Agostini
11) Sergei Kostitsyn
12) Mathieu Carle
13) Jon Gleed
14) Yann Danis
15) Juraj Mikus
16) James Wyman
17) Jean-Phillipe Côté
18) Mathieu Aubin
19) Jaroslav Halak
20) Maxim Lapierre

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Well, this is the best I can do:

1- Chipchura
2- Latendresse
3- Emelin
4- A.Kostitsyn
5- Price
6- Danis
7- Lapierre
8- O'Byrne
9- Grabovsk
10- Cotei
11- Fischer
12- Maxwell
13- Pavel Valentenko
14- Maxwell
15- Carle
16- S.Kostityn
17- D'agostini
18- Ferland
19- Bonneau
20- Archer

Honestly, I have not seen much of of these players so my evaluation is based on different sources that I have read up on. I did not consider guys like Murray, Plekanec and Perezogin on this list because they have played a full NHL season. Finally, I tried to base my decisions on who I tought was closest to making the Habs, so although I don't think Chipchura is a top line player in this league (but I do love what he brings to the table), I think that the odds of him making the team soon are higher right now than a guy like Kostityn, who needs to play on the top two lines to be effective.

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Gleed is a year older, and there's a huge difference between pro and college level. O'Byrne has everything you need to be a successful pro... Look at the Hobey Baker curse. It's not a shot at O'Byrne to say he wasn't the best Cornell d-man...

O'Byrne, by all accounts, has been a success thus far in his development. Gleed is a character d-man with limited upside, O'Byrne is fulfilling some of the promise that made him a 3rd rounder in a deep 2003 class as a Tier II 18 year old junior.


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On this link, you can find tons of pics and videos (in the lower part) on most prospects of the Habs; enjoy:

http://habsprospects.hockeyhq.net/media.html

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here is mine; I went for combination of potential and likelyhood that it will be attained

1- Price (I hesitated; has to have a big year and make a good showing at the World U-20 to justify being 1st IMO)
2- Latendresse
3- Grabovsky
4- Chipchura
5- Emelin
6- A Kostitsyn
7- Fischer
8- O'Byrne
9- S Kostitsyn
10- Carle
11- D'Agostini
12- Aubin
13- Halak
14- Lapierre
15- Maxwell
16- Mikus
17- White
18- Valentenko
19- Korpikari
20- Stewart

Anybody still have Locke on their radar screen ? Do you have any prospects you see way overrated or way underrated ? My 2 overrated are A Kost (has been here 2 years and hasn't shown enough to justify being our number one or 2 prospect) and Locke (the simple fact that he's still mentioned in a conversation about the top 20 is an anomaly)

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Just a little note..... many times over the last couple of years I've visited Cornell's website......they often state that Gleed is a better defenseman than O'Bryne. I've never seen either play so I have to rely on these reports to get updates of our players in the US system.
Gleed had a solid senior year and still wasn't as good as O'Byrne, who was being dubbed in the local media as a possible MVP. O'B played on the #1 PK unit with Gleed but also on the #1 PP unit with Pokulok. Gleed is very solid in his own end, always works hard and plays a smart game but O'Byrne has more physical abilities and imo he not only was Cornell's top defensemen but I also feel he was one of the top defensemen in the ECAC. The other problem with Gleed is that he wasn't able to produce any offense. He averaged just over 1 goal per season with 5 goals in his NCAA career.

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