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07-19-2006, 10:23 PM
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Comparing Belanger to other similiar players

I was going to post this a little while ago but forgot and thought it would be topical today with the signing.

Over the last four seasons Belanger has put up some decent numbers.
In 261 games he has 54 G 75 A for 129 PTS
Over the same 4 yrs McCauley has played 320 games and has 47 G and 67 A for 114 PTS.
Matt Cooke has played 262 games and has 47 G and 69 A for 116 PTS.

Cooke signed last yr for an average of $1.5M and McCauley just signed for 2.0M

IMO these guys are all solid two way players and have all been looked upon as shut down guys.

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07-19-2006, 11:44 PM
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Yeah, but Belanger is no "shut down" guy. Hell, he's not even a good two-way player.

He's a lot closer to Yannic Perrault than either of those guys

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$1.3 million for Belanger. Obviously, the Kings think more of Belanger than some HFers do.

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Yeah, but Belanger is no "shut down" guy. Hell, he's not even a good two-way player.

He's a lot closer to Yannic Perrault than either of those guys
IMO I would take Belanger over Cooke any day. Also we must remember that guys like Cooke and McCauley played with other defensive minded guys like Linden and Thornton.

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$1.3 million for Belanger. Obviously, the Kings think more of Belanger than some HFers do.
I would like to see EB as the 2nd line center between O' Sullivan and Brown.

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I always felt Belanger was a solid two-way player. His speed, hockey sense, and face-off ability are quite valuable in that role. However, he's also not a true defensive center because he misses his assignments more often than you'd like. He also has a small build. But all in all, i think he is an above average 3rd liner with two-way ability. I don't understand why so many Kings fans dislike him.

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07-20-2006, 12:23 AM
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I think some people just forget how talented Eric Belanger is (and can be). Just click on both links and watch his reel of goals,
http://www.nhl.com/video/app?compone...50&sp=2&sp=Shi
http://www.nhl.com/video/app?compone...50&sp=1&sp=Shi

None of you can deny his talent. Seeing how productive players like Matt Cullen and Andy McDonald were this season (who were also labeled third centers when they entered the league), I think Belanger is very capable of scoring 15+ goals and 45-50 points.

He's one of the smarter players on the team. I don't know or understand why there are so many Kings fans who dislike him.

EDIT: Ha, looks like there are others who also don't understand the disdain Kings fans have for Belanger.


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Whenever there's a thread with the word COMPARING in the title, I'm already turned off.

Why do it?

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I always felt Belanger was a solid two-way player. His speed, hockey sense, and face-off ability are quite valuable in that role. However, he's also not a true defensive center because he misses his assignments more often than you'd like. He also has a small build. But all in all, i think he is an above average 3rd liner with two-way ability. I don't understand why so many Kings fans dislike him.
I'll go 2/3rds of the way with you on this, but his face-off ability has greatly diminished since he had that wrist injury and surgery in '02. He was Da BOMB on face-offs prior to that, but just hasn't been the same since.

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07-20-2006, 12:35 AM
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Belanger is probably the most loved then hated on this bored. 2 Months he's liked and then 2 months he's hated. Two months loved two months hated. It goes back and forth. Everyone else in the league talks about how good he is and yet Kings fans hate him.

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07-20-2006, 02:45 AM
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McCauley has previously been nominated for the Selke; Belanger has not. Eric isn't even a good 2-way player.

I really like Legionnaire's comparison to Perreault. He and Belanger are about equal in terms of defensive awareness (or lack thereof), yet Perreault is a much higher scorer than Belanger and better at faceoffs, too. Despite this, Yanic was so unwanted last Summer that no one would sign him. He had to, instead, accept an invitation to the Predators' camp and fight for a contract. That contract ended up being a two-way deal for only $525K on the NHL side. If an arguably better player is worth only $525K, does that not shine a lot of perspective on Belanger's worth? At the very least, it makes the suggestions of $1.5-2M look rather far-fetched.


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07-20-2006, 03:11 AM
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Eric Belanger is solid defensively. Not that he's anything special defensively but he's certainly better than Yanic Perrault. There's a reason Perreault has averaged eight seconds per game on the PK in 2005-06, 1 second in 2003-04, 2 seconds in 2002-03, and 1 second in 2001-02. Comparing Belanger to Perrault defensively is just ludicrous. And yes, Belanger will be getting $1.5 million+ for his next contract.

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$1.3 million for Belanger. Obviously, the Kings think more of Belanger than some HFers do.
I don't know that the $1.3M is an indication of how the Kings feel about Belanger in so much as that's about what he was likely going to get in arbitration...

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I like Belanger. I never have understood the disdain many have for him. I'll bet he blossoms under Crawford.

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That highlight reel just makes me think what a great 2nd line centre he could be if he pulled his head out of his ***.

That Khabibulin goal was sick...he placed that shot perfectly.

He's definitely got better offensive skills and instincts than many give him credit for.

As for his defense, I don't know.

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I would like to see EB as the 2nd line center between O' Sullivan and Brown.
I take it that you haven't seen him play 2nd line center? How many chances are you going to give this guy that opportunity? Dude is just not that good. He scores a half dozen nice goals a season and some cheer for him being an elite goal scoring face-off winning defensive specialist. He's not that guy, never has been, never will be. One of the biggest loafers in LA, he puts forth effort every 4th shift. But it seems like some of you don't demand better, so enjoy ebel for another season.

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He has an average skill set. He has repeatedly proved he is not second line acceptable. He had less points in more games last season than Armstrong. He's streaky. He is not our best penalty killing center. His getting burned by guys getting behind him on the PK was attrocious. He's fast. He's got a small upper body and can not be counted on to muscle up on anyone. He probably deserves the 1.3 mil but if anyone can see a way to get something decent for him I'd be onboard. I'm not turned on by his play, or turned off, a true tweener for me.

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Yeah, but Belanger is no "shut down" guy. Hell, he's not even a good two-way player.

He's a lot closer to Yannic Perrault than either of those guys

until he was unable to win any face-offs whatsoever.

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until he was unable to win any face-offs whatsoever.
I think that's another facet of his psychological deficiency. Again, he has the skills, just like he has the skills to be a top-sixer. However, whenever he turns it on for any period of time, he somehow tails off. That, I believe, explains why he hasn't been all that effective in the 2nd line center role...the more pressure, the more he psyches himself out.

IMO, all of the skills are there; his confidence and mentality just aren't.

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Eric Belanger is solid defensively. Not that he's anything special defensively but he's certainly better than Yanic Perrault. There's a reason Perreault has averaged eight seconds per game on the PK in 2005-06, 1 second in 2003-04, 2 seconds in 2002-03, and 1 second in 2001-02. Comparing Belanger to Perrault defensively is just ludicrous. And yes, Belanger will be getting $1.5 million+ for his next contract.
Wow great! So Belanger played a lot on a PK that was dead last in the league. What does that tell you?

Do you remember when Perrault was a fixture on our PK? Just because a player gets PK time doesn't me that he's great defensively.

Most of the season, it looked as though Belanger was more concerned in recieving a breakout pass to try for a shortie than he was to cover his man/zone. Now, I don't know if that was what the coach's told him to do or not, but I'd figure no- especially since as the season wore on, we saw and almost utter disregard to any defensive play whatsoever, and full concentration on trying to score. Hmm contract year maybe?


Edit: Oh, and as far as the Belanger hate goes, I never really had a problem with him until he started running his mouth about people "quitting". He was one of the biggest culprits as far as both getting Murray fired, and giving up- So don't give me this song and dance about "people quitting" Eric. Look in the damn mirror before you critisize your teammates.


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Wow great! So Belanger played a lot on a PK that was dead last in the league. What does that tell you?

Do you remember when Perrault was a fixture on our PK? Just because a player gets PK time doesn't me that he's great defensively.
And I didn't mention Belnager's PK time. I said Belanger was solid but not special defensively (i.e., not good or bad). The problem I had was with Osprey putting Belanger on par with Perrault defensively. But if you want to put Belanger with a guy so poor defensively that he's had less PK time than Luc Robitaille over the last four seasons even though he's been over 60% on draws, have a blast.

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I have always liked Belanger. A lot of Kings fans turned on him after reading those comments he made to that Montreal radio station about Frolov.

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I have always liked Belanger. A lot of Kings fans turned on him after reading those comments he made to that Montreal radio station about Frolov.
Players are always much more candid when they're far away from their team. You see it with alot of Euro players talking to their local newspapers when they're visiting home.

Although, I do realize that saying such things in a place like Montreal, which is still within the North American media stratosphere, is a bit of a different situation.

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Ebel's also the NHLPA Player of the Day for today in case anyone was interested. They give it out based on Free Agent signings...I guess it was a relatively slow day...

http://www.nhlpa.com/

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Wow great! So Belanger played a lot on a PK that was dead last in the league. What does that tell you?

Do you remember when Perrault was a fixture on our PK? Just because a player gets PK time doesn't me that he's great defensively.

Most of the season, it looked as though Belanger was more concerned in recieving a breakout pass to try for a shortie than he was to cover his man/zone. Now, I don't know if that was what the coach's told him to do or not, but I'd figure no- especially since as the season wore on, we saw and almost utter disregard to any defensive play whatsoever, and full concentration on trying to score. Hmm contract year maybe?


Edit: Oh, and as far as the Belanger hate goes, I never really had a problem with him until he started running his mouth about people "quitting". He was one of the biggest culprits as far as both getting Murray fired, and giving up- So don't give me this song and dance about "people quitting" Eric. Look in the damn mirror before you critisize your teammates.

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