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07-20-2006, 02:17 PM
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I have always liked Belanger. A lot of Kings fans turned on him after reading those comments he made to that Montreal radio station about Frolov.
I missed the comments. Could you please give me a short recap? Thanks!

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07-20-2006, 05:24 PM
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He has an average skill set. He has repeatedly proved he is not second line acceptable. He had less points in more games last season than Armstrong. He's streaky. He is not our best penalty killing center. His getting burned by guys getting behind him on the PK was attrocious. He's fast. He's got a small upper body and can not be counted on to muscle up on anyone. He probably deserves the 1.3 mil but if anyone can see a way to get something decent for him I'd be onboard. I'm not turned on by his play, or turned off, a true tweener for me.
Armstrong saw alot more ice time on the PP than EB, did he not? Plus IMO he often played with more skilled linemates.

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Because Army drew the long straw? I don't think so. It's because Belanger doesn't get it done. It was not an arbitrary decision.

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07-20-2006, 08:18 PM
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Because Army drew the long straw? I don't think so. It's because Belanger doesn't get it done. It was not an arbitrary decision.
Exactly. Army might have less skill than Belanger but at least he busts his *** constantly. Belanger is a classic floater.

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I missed the comments. Could you please give me a short recap? Thanks!
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...light=belanger
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...light=belanger

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i wonder if there is going to be anything going on between Frolov and Belanger, since what Belanger said about Fro.

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i wonder if there is going to be anything going on between Frolov and Belanger, since what Belanger said about Fro.
I don't think I could imagine Frolov getting angry if I tried.

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I don't think I could imagine Frolov getting angry if I tried.

the worst they could do is stare at each other

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Yanick Perrault has the skating ability of an ECHL hockey or UHL player. Belanger, on the other hand flies in the new NHL. The are similar in that they are streaky scorers who are good face off men, but that's it.

Still dont know why the Kings sign McCauley when they have Belanger...

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Yanick Perrault has the skating ability of an ECHL hockey or UHL player. Belanger, on the other hand flies in the new NHL. The are similar in that they are streaky scorers who are good face off men, but that's it.

Still dont know why the Kings sign McCauley when they have Belanger...

sorry Johhny, but Yanic Perreault, for ALL the s*** he takes on BOTH boards, is a much better hockey player than Eric Belanger.

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Wow great! So Belanger played a lot on a PK that was dead last in the league. What does that tell you?

Do you remember when Perrault was a fixture on our PK? Just because a player gets PK time doesn't me that he's great defensively.

Most of the season, it looked as though Belanger was more concerned in recieving a breakout pass to try for a shortie than he was to cover his man/zone. Now, I don't know if that was what the coach's told him to do or not, but I'd figure no- especially since as the season wore on, we saw and almost utter disregard to any defensive play whatsoever, and full concentration on trying to score. Hmm contract year maybe?


Edit: Oh, and as far as the Belanger hate goes, I never really had a problem with him until he started running his mouth about people "quitting". He was one of the biggest culprits as far as both getting Murray fired, and giving up- So don't give me this song and dance about "people quitting" Eric. Look in the damn mirror before you critisize your teammates.
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Never cared for Belanger. That price tag of 1.3 million is disgraceful for a player of his limited calibur especially in this new era of salary caps. At this point I'd be happy w/ DL trading him for an 8th round pick. Well, w/ 1.3 million he can now buy more Louis Vutton and Guicci man bags to hold his European tailor-made suits as he sips his freshly brewed Starbuck's morning kicker.

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sorry Johhny, but Yanic Perreault, for ALL the s*** he takes on BOTH boards, is a much better hockey player than Eric Belanger.
Absolutely correct. Call me when Belanger scores 25 goals and becomes a premier faceoff man.

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Never cared for Belanger. That price tag of 1.3 million is disgraceful for a player of his limited calibur especially in this new era of salary caps. At this point I'd be happy w/ DL trading him for an 8th round pick. Well, w/ 1.3 million he can now buy more Louis Vutton and Guicci man bags to hold his European tailor-made suits as he sips his freshly brewed Starbuck's morning kicker.
You do know that the draft only goes up to 7 rounds right?.....or are you basically saying for future considerations?

I think though with some of the contracts that have been signed this Summer that $1.3 million is about right for Belanger......and if Lombardi wants to deal him (which I think he does) that there will be a few teams that are willing to give up as high as a 3rd round pick for him.

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Absolutely correct. Call me when Belanger scores 25 goals and becomes a premier faceoff man.

*ahem* BEST face-off man in the NHL.

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07-20-2006, 11:50 PM
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All of these hockey "experts" bashing Belanger are going to eat their words. Look at Andy McDonald's numbers before being put on the top line centering Teemu Selanne, http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=26682

Oh and he just happens to be a couple of months older than Belanger. But I'm sure all of you experts saw Andy McDonald cracking 80+ points before the season started.

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All of these hockey "experts" bashing Belanger are going to eat their words. Look at Andy McDonald's numbers before being put on the top line centering Teemu Selanne, http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=26682

Oh and he just happens to be a couple of months older than Belanger. But I'm sure all of you experts saw Andy McDonald cracking 80+ points before the season started.

And how do they compare exactly?

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All of these hockey "experts" bashing Belanger are going to eat their words. Look at Andy McDonald's numbers before being put on the top line centering Teemu Selanne, http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=26682

Oh and he just happens to be a couple of months older than Belanger. But I'm sure all of you experts saw Andy McDonald cracking 80+ points before the season started.
No one saw that. Did anyone see Selanne breaking out like he did? No. Did anyone see McDonald staying healthy all year? No. But do you forsee Belanger being put on the top line with Frolov and Cammalleri? I don't. Do you see him staying healthy all year? I sure as **** don't.

Never in out lives will Belanger score 80+ points in the NHL.

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Still dont know why the Kings sign McCauley when they have Belanger...
Because McCauley is a very good two way center and a great leader and Belanger isnt?

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Both started off their careers as third line centers. Both could skate well. Both have accurate shots. I was impressed with McDonald even when he wasn't producing much back in 03-04. Belanger has been used like a plugger. His regular linemate since he's been in the NHL had always been Ian Laperriere.

Other than Lappy, he's been used with the likes of Marko Tuomainen or Brad Chartrand. During Stumpel's brief holdout, Belanger was inserted on the top line and was actually productive in that role (of course nobody remembers that).

Last season, before the lockout, the Kings used Belanger with Frolov and Klatt and they were one of the better lines that season, until injuries decimated the Kings. Cammalleri was set to play with Armstrong and Luc but he got hurt and sent down, so then Klatt was moved to play with Army and Luc.

The Kings acquired Straka and then Palffy got hurt, so Frolov was moved to the top line with Stumpel and Straka. Belanger was playing with Laperriere again and Eloranta. Belanger has always been used as a utility player, and even in that type of role he's been productive.

There is a reason Lombardi gave Belanger a $600K raise. The hockey people apparently see something in Belanger that some random people on a hockey message board don't...

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No one saw that. Did anyone see Selanne breaking out like he did? No. Did anyone see McDonald staying healthy all year? No. But do you forsee Belanger being put on the top line with Frolov and Cammalleri? I don't. Do you see him staying healthy all year? I sure as **** don't.

Never in out lives will Belanger score 80+ points in the NHL.
So how can you deduce how many games a player will appear in? I'm actually shocked how many people thought Selanne would be washed up and play poorly.

I guess one bad season means more than 10+ excellent seasons. One off-season is enough to write off a player. And I'm not expecting Belanger to score 80+ points, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him score 45-50+ points. He's better than what many Kings fans think of him. I try not to be persuaded by public opinion. Public opinion here would have had Cammalleri (and a pick) traded.

There is a lot of impatience from people here. One bad season and a players career is over. One off-year from a young prospect, and he's destined to be nothing more than a scrub. People turn their backs a bit quickly and there is a lot of irrationality on hockey forums. I think that type of thought and behavior has spread, which leads to the popular opinion of seeing players like Cammalleri or Frolov or Brown or Belanger moved.

It's funny to me that many ask for a youth movement, but when a big name is available, they throw away all of the top prospects into a trade proposal stew. Then return to these boards and continue to talk about the future of the team.


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See there's a big difference between the two. Belanger has been given opportunity after opportunity to take up the reigns and become the player that you *think* he's going to be, but time and time again, he's shown that he's not up to the taske. McDonald on the other had steadily improved his game when healthy, and with a full healthy season he showed what kind of player he could be.

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All of these hockey "experts" bashing Belanger are going to eat their words. Look at Andy McDonald's numbers before being put on the top line centering Teemu Selanne, http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=26682

Oh and he just happens to be a couple of months older than Belanger. But I'm sure all of you experts saw Andy McDonald cracking 80+ points before the season started.
You didn't see McDonald doing that either, so why are so sure that Belanger will do it?

There's certainly the potential of Belanger having a magnificent breakout year, but do you really see it? By saying that we are going to eat our words, it sounds like you do see it as an inevitability, as if nothing could prevent it. I don't think that even you believe that.

The way that I see it, the difference is largely that McDonald always under-achieved while it could be argued that Belanger has always over-achieved. Prior to last season, I was waiting for McDonald to show more of what made him a stud in college. I don't think that any of us were as shocked with McDonald hitting 80pts as we would be if Belanger were to hit that.

Another difference is that McDonald didn't have much opportunity until the centers above him, Fedorov and Rucchin, were removed. Belanger, on the other hand, has had quite the opportunities in the past few seasons, what with the injury curse and everything. You say that he's a great utility player. That's still all that he is because, though he's done "well" with his opportunities, it's never been good enough to warrant a promotion. It's like a temp worker who always fills in admirably but never impresses enough to be offered a full-time position.


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