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07-20-2006, 05:35 PM
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Zherdev

according to TSN, Zherdev and the jackets are having some contract issues...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171842&hubname=

I don't really believe that Gainey would even consider going after him, but, for the sake of killing some time, what about these two scenarios:

1-
to Mtl-
Zherdev, Maholtra

To CBJ-
Ryder, ribeiro, Zhogin, 1st 07,

2-
to Mtl-
Zherdev

to CBJ-
Ryder, Kots

What about the value? Enough to make Mclean go for it? Too much?

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07-20-2006, 05:40 PM
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according to TSN, Zherdev and the jackets are having some contract issues...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171842&hubname=

I don't really believe that Gainey would even consider going after him, but, for the sake of killing some time, what about these two scenarios:

1-
to Mtl-
Zherdev, Maholtra

To CBJ-
Ryder, ribeiro, Zhogin, 1st 07,

2-
to Mtl-
Zherdev

to CBJ-
Ryder, Kots

What about the value? Enough to make Mclean go for it? Too much?

Maybe you should take up billiards.

Way too much for a career high 54 point guy.

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I wouldn't do any of those trades...we are overpaying!

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I know Gainey wouldn't want Malhotra 'caus he'll never make it to the NHL but else... I don't know...

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Maybe you should take up billiards.

Way too much for a career high 54 point guy.
He's 21 years old

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He's 21 years old
QFT

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I know Gainey wouldn't want Malhotra 'caus he'll never make it to the NHL but else... I don't know...

?
is this a quote from Gainey in the past?

Maholtra is an established NHLer who is just coming into his own at 26 years old...
former top ten pick who never lived up to the hype, but has turned into a very solid 3rd line centre (still needs to improve offensive game, but defensively is a rod brindamour in the making)

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?
is this a quote from Gainey in the past?

Maholtra is an established NHLer who is just coming into his own at 26 years old...
former top ten pick who never lived up to the hype, but has turned into a very solid 3rd line centre (still needs to improve offensive game, but defensively is a rod brindamour in the making)
yeah nice top 10 pick... a 3rd liner... I don't believe he would be of any ineterest for the habs, we alredy have a full line and a half of players who can play like Malhotra... Begin, Murray, Downey, Johnson (some say hes defensive some say hes offensive I don't know what to think about him)... ans the guy we drafted this year... White?

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Maybe you should take up billiards.

Way too much for a career high 54 point guy.
reading your avatar, and your post, I have one question...

do you hate yourself?

seriously though... Zherdev scored 54 points at 21 years old in his second full season in the NHL...
He's one of the best talents in the NHL under 25 and will likely evolve into a 90+ point/season player within the next 2-3 years.

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Likely evolve. Famous last words.

Like Kovalev.

Like Daigle.

Like every other player with "awesome potential".

You do not pay for "potential", you pay for performance.

As for your attempt at a personal attack, try growing up a bit and debating facts.

Fact is, Zherdev hasn't done squat to merit trading all that for him.

Like years ago when Brian Savage held out for a better contract claiming "I know I have the ability to score 30". He never has, in his career.

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reading your avatar, and your post, I have one question...

do you hate yourself?

seriously though... Zherdev scored 54 points at 21 years old in his second full season in the NHL...
He's one of the best talents in the NHL under 25 and will likely evolve into a 90+ point/season player within the next 2-3 years.
i agree.
i'd do the 2nd deal.

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Likely evolve. Famous last words.

Like Kovalev.

Like Daigle.

Like every other player with "awesome potential".

You do not pay for "potential", you pay for performance.

As for your attempt at a personal attack, try growing up a bit and debating facts.

Fact is, Zherdev hasn't done squat to merit trading all that for him.

Like years ago when Brian Savage held out for a better contract claiming "I know I have the ability to score 30". He never has, in his career.
When you trade for younger players, you trade for potential, not for performance.

It's easy to point out the few that didn't turn out to be as great as they were expected to be but it's just as easy to point out guys like Kovalchuk, Gaborik, Heatley, Spezza, and Nash, that were expected to be game breakers.

Zherdev will be a great talent and trading Kostitsyn and Ryder for him would not necessarily be a bad thing.

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Likely evolve. Famous last words.

Like Kovalev.

Like Daigle.

Like every other player with "awesome potential".

You do not pay for "potential", you pay for performance.

As for your attempt at a personal attack, try growing up a bit and debating facts.

Fact is, Zherdev hasn't done squat to merit trading all that for him.

Like years ago when Brian Savage held out for a better contract claiming "I know I have the ability to score 30". He never has, in his career.
So you're saying that you wouldn't want a 21 year old Kovalev on your Team???
Zherdev scoring 27 goals and 54 points at 21 years old is pretty damn good performance, if you ask me.

As for the personal attack comments... I hate billiards , really though, if you are going to make smart *** remarks to other people's posts, then you need to have thick enough skin to take the responses... otherwise keep your mouth shut in the first place!

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He's 21 years old
Meh...not only that...he's playing for one of the lowest scoring team.

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Likely evolve. Famous last words.

Like Kovalev.

Like Daigle.

Like every other player with "awesome potential".

You do not pay for "potential", you pay for performance.

As for your attempt at a personal attack, try growing up a bit and debating facts.

Fact is, Zherdev hasn't done squat to merit trading all that for him.

Like years ago when Brian Savage held out for a better contract claiming "I know I have the ability to score 30". He never has, in his career.

I may be wrong, but according to what I saw of Zherdev, he would become our main offensive weapons right away. Since Kovalev is on the downside of his career (even if he's still young enough to have good season), I don't see anybody in Habs' lineup right now that is better than Zherdev offensively...

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I don't believe Zherdev will be traded. If he does however, the return will have to be substantial. Go to nhl.com, click on highlights, then go to powerade plays of the week. It has all the best highlights from the whole season. Click on Jan. 2nd...it is the first highlight. If that doesn't get your mouth watering...then I don't know what will.

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Look piss-ant, you have your opinion and belief that the Habs should overpay for everything, you must have loved Houle.

Don't presume to chastize me you moronic neophyte, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are one of those posters that give HF boards the reputation of being full of children.

You act so tough hiding behind your anonimity telling people to shut up, I am sure you'd think twice about saying that in person.

As for your opinion, it is about as important to me as the ****e I scraped of my shoe this morning. Such a punk.

I'm guessing that mirrors don't exist in the gutter you reside in....

seriously though, you are in need of some serious therapy if you get this worked up by a message board... maybe you should take a "time-out" before you get yourself banned from here.

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We have Perezhogin, Kostitsyn, Kovalev, Samsonov, Koivu, Plekanec...
We have enough very skilled, speedy Europeans, thank-you.

I wouldn't mind a Rick Nash!!, or Philly's Simon Gagne, but not Zherdev.
Thanks anyway.

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according to TSN, Zherdev and the jackets are having some contract issues...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171842&hubname=

I don't really believe that Gainey would even consider going after him, but, for the sake of killing some time, what about these two scenarios:

1-
to Mtl-
Zherdev, Maholtra

To CBJ-
Ryder, ribeiro, Zhogin, 1st 07,

2-
to Mtl-
Zherdev

to CBJ-
Ryder, Kots

What about the value? Enough to make Mclean go for it? Too much?
How about...
Ryder, Ribeiro, Perezhogin (& a 2nd rounder) for...
Rick Nash and a 3rd rounder

Now that's more like it!
------- ---------
We need Nash, not Zherdev!

And we definitely have no use whatsoever for Malhotra.
You can keep your Zherdev and your Malhotra.
Thanks anyway & good luck with those players of yours.


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I don't think Columbus will let Zherdev go because they've just signed Svitov and we all know that Zherdev and Svitov can do a great job. So it wouldn't make any sense to sign Svitov and let Zherdev go. Svitov needs Zherdev and Zherdev needs Svitov.

BTW if you would like to have a player from Columbus, think of Sergei Fedorov

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We dont have anything that Columbus would want for Zherdev.

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We dont have anything that Columbus would want for Zherdev.
Actually, we have alot to offer them.

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Look piss-ant, you have your opinion and belief that the Habs should overpay for everything, you must have loved Houle.

Don't presume to chastize me you moronic neophyte, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are one of those posters that give HF boards the reputation of being full of children.

You act so tough hiding behind your anonimity telling people to shut up, I am sure you'd think twice about saying that in person.

As for your opinion, it is about as important to me as the ****e I scraped of my shoe this morning. Such a punk.
"You are one of those posters that give HF boards the reputation of being full of children.

You act so tough hiding behind your anonimity telling people to shut up, I am sure you'd think twice about saying that in person.

As for your opinion, it is about as important to me as the ****e I scraped of my shoe this morning. Such a punk
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That is a pathetic quote. If you have anger management issues, try to see a therapist. The boards are not there for you to vent your frustrations. Your argument about potential is defendable. Your way of talking to other posters is not.

Oh, and I suggest you look where you walk next time. It'll save you the trouble and the smell.

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Look piss-ant, you have your opinion and belief that the Habs should overpay for everything, you must have loved Houle.

Don't presume to chastize me you moronic neophyte, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are one of those posters that give HF boards the reputation of being full of children.

You act so tough hiding behind your anonimity telling people to shut up, I am sure you'd think twice about saying that in person.

As for your opinion, it is about as important to me as the ****e I scraped of my shoe this morning. Such a punk.
I find very interesting that we could quote your post as a response to itself, except maybe for the "overpay thing", which is surprinsingly the only "on topic" element.

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Any trade for him would require him being signed before hand. He has signed in Russia and is willing to go there if need be so I would not make any trade without that assurance.

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