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07-19-2006, 09:10 PM
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Michael Ryder arbitration hearing july 25th

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Montreal Canadiens winger Michael Ryder has his arbitration hearing slated for next Tuesday. The 26-year-old had a team-high 30 goals last season and is looking for a big raise over the $1 million he earned.

''At this point in time it looks like we're going to arbitration on Tuesday, but you never know,'' Ryder's agent Thane Campbell said.

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$2.75m is my guess, if it gets to arb.

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$2.75m is my guess, if it gets to arb.
Bob said he'll sign Ryder.

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I say 3 yrs at 2.75 per = 8.25 million dollars


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2.375 Mill for 1 year

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It will be one year but 2.75 per sounds good.

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WHat??? I don't want Ryder for more than 2.5 millions/year, short term, long term, I don't care. Well, let's give hime 2.5 millions next year and we'll see.

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Michael is seeking 2.5 mil, while the Habs are offering 2.1 mil. With a one year deal, I guess he will be a UFA next summer. If he has a 30 goal year this year, he will no doubt get 3-3.5 mil on the open market.

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I say 3 yrs at 2.75 per = 8.25 million dollars

in salary arbitration it's 1 or 2 year, not 3 or +

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Michael is seeking 2.5 mil, while the Habs are offering 2.1 mil. With a one year deal, I guess he will be a UFA next summer. If he has a 30 goal year this year, he will no doubt get 3-3.5 mil on the open market.
no, if he sign for 1 year, in 2007-08 he's still RFA, but if he sign for 2 years, in 2008-09 will be UFA

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07-20-2006, 12:28 AM
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GP G A PTS
Milan Hejduk = 2005-06 74 24 34 58 3.8M$
Ray Whitney = 2005-06 63 17 38 55 1.5M$
Fredrik Modin = 2005-06 77 31 23 54 2.2M$
Brendan Morrison = 2005-06 82 19 37 56 3.2M$
Sergei Samsonov = 2005-06 74 23 30 53 3.25M$ note: 27 years old
Why not:
Michael Ryder = 2005-06 81 30 25 55 2.6M$??? note: 26 years old

Beside, how many 30 goal scorers are available this time of year? And he played injured at the end of the season. He's also 26 and on the "UP" side of his career. I'm not saying Ryder is more talented then any of these other players, but he has found a way to score 25 - 30 goals in the last two seasons in which he playes in the NHL. He doesn't complain, he works hard and I think he's worth the 2.6M$. The roster won't be the same without him on the 1st or second line..

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If it's only 1 year I'd say 2M should be about right. More though and we'd need to buy his UFA status so that might prove costly. Don't know how much he wants to remain here, seeing as it's been fairly complicated to get him signed now 2 years in a row, but my guess is 3M per for 3 years might get it done for a long term deal if it's the path we choose.

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Isn't Cheechoo making 2.5 mil?

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Isn't Cheechoo making 2.5 mil?
Q1. Wouldn't Ryder score 50 goals playing with Thornton?
Q2. Isn't Cheechoo's agent kicking himself in the groin now for signing that deal?


I wonder how familiar these arbitrators are with the NHL? Because there are so many crazy-bad and crazy-good contract examples that could be thrown in front of them, it could make for some chaotic awards if they aren't familiar (or familiarized) with some of the details.

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Q1. Wouldn't Ryder score 50 goals playing with Thornton?
Possible, but I still think Cheechoo is a better goal scorer... way more speed and drive for the net. And, I guarantee you I would've said this before last year... I've been a big Cheechoo fan since he was a prospect.

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Q2. Isn't Cheechoo's agent kicking himself in the groin now for signing that deal?


I wonder how familiar these arbitrators are with the NHL? Because there are so many crazy-bad and crazy-good contract examples that could be thrown in front of them, it could make for some chaotic awards if they aren't familiar (or familiarized) with some of the details.
Yeah, Cheechoo's agent can't be too thrilled with the deal, but it's not a terrible one either. The reason arbitrators are there is to look at a bunch of examples and pick the most logical conclusion... it's not an easy job sometimes and it is entirely stat/age/experience based. Also, UFA players do not come into the discussion.

Look, if Raycroft got a raise after last year to $2m/year, and Ribs got $1.9m, then Ryder is at least getting $2.5m and probably deserves more (although the argument is really that those examples deserve less).

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2 to 2.5 is pretty fair for Ryder.I just don't like the fact that he will be going to arbitration again. Gainey will eventually get fed up and trade him

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2 to 2.5 is pretty fair for Ryder.I just don't like the fact that he will be going to arbitration again. Gainey will eventually get fed up and trade him
This is his first arbitration hearing. His post-rookie year contract dispute (from 2004 off-season through to just before 2005 training camp) was just a GM-agent negotiation.

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Q1. Wouldn't Ryder score 50 goals playing with Thornton?
Q2. Isn't Cheechoo's agent kicking himself in the groin now for signing that deal?


I wonder how familiar these arbitrators are with the NHL? Because there are so many crazy-bad and crazy-good contract examples that could be thrown in front of them, it could make for some chaotic awards if they aren't familiar (or familiarized) with some of the details.
I think the new rule is one of the two salaries presented; the players or the GMs. So the arbitrator will have all the info to choose one. Unlike before when it was a free for all and the arbitrator chose the value.

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I think the new rule is one of the two salaries presented; the players or the GMs. So the arbitrator will have all the info to choose one. Unlike before when it was a free for all and the arbitrator chose the value.
Which of course makes relatively little difference to us if it's really $2.1M vs. $2.5M for Ryder. Almost not worth going through the motions of a potentially-messy hearing for.

But for some of the other cases, say, if the Devils bring $4M and Gomez brings $6M, that's when it will get tricky. Especially if the comparables fall in the middle (Tanguay $5.25M?). It will be fun to watch the process from the outside as Habs fans, with not much of any stake really.

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Which of course makes relatively little difference to us if it's really $2.1M vs. $2.5M for Ryder. Almost not worth going through the motions of a potentially-messy hearing for.

But for some of the other cases, say, if the Devils bring $4M and Gomez brings $6M, that's when it will get tricky. Especially if the comparables fall in the middle (Tanguay $5.25M?). It will be fun to watch the process from the outside as Habs fans, with not much of any stake really.
That why arbitration is 'stickier' this year, each side has to have a number that is 'solid', and not too agressive. Should be interesting.

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Bob said he'll sign Ryder.
I agree, he will sign him, but for what he deserves, and it should be way nearer 2M$ than 3M$.

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I can't help but feel that Ryder will leave the Habs as a UFA when his first opportunity to leave comes up. He was a contract hold out last fall, and now he's the only Hab to go to arbitration, unless they settle sooner but I doubt that will happen. He seems to not want to play for Montreal as much as the rest of his teammates.

Does anyone every remember reading or hearing Ryder say he was happy to get a chance to play in Montreal, or enjoys playing here, like some athletes do? I hope I'm wrong, as I'd like to see Ryder settle in long-term in Montreal. If he could just improve on his defence a little, he's round out as a decent two-way player. At the moment, he's still pretty much one-dimensional.

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