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07-22-2006, 12:15 AM
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Hmm, how about Immomen, Dawes, Tyutin and a 1st?
I'd do that in 2 seconds for Malkin...Immonen is replacable by Dubinsky, Toots can be replaced by Staal, Dawes hurts a bit but the Rangers already have an undersized top 6 forward in Prucha. The first hurts too, but sometimes it has to be done.

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07-22-2006, 12:19 AM
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Hmm, how about Immomen, Dawes, Tyutin and a 1st?
Again, it's tough to give up three of our top young players plus a pick, but I think I'd have to sign up for that.

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07-22-2006, 12:21 AM
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That would give the Rangers a solid center core of: (For the future)

Malkin
Anisimov
Dubinsky
G. Moore/Helminen

On the Wings You have:

Korpikoski
Prucha
Jessiman (IF he ever pans out)
Cliche
Hillier
Callahan etc

on D:

Staal-Sanaguinette(sp)
Sauer-Baranka
Girardi-Pock

not a bad future, not counting FA signings and other trades

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07-22-2006, 12:23 AM
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I'd do that in 2 seconds for Malkin...Immonen is replacable by Dubinsky, Toots can be replaced by Staal, Dawes hurts a bit but the Rangers already have an undersized top 6 forward in Prucha. The first hurts too, but sometimes it has to be done.
I don't neccesarily disagree with you, but why should Staal be a replacement to Tyutin. They aren't really the same kind of player. Maybe, I'm wrong, but isn't Staal more defense-minded than Tyutin, who has more of an offensive-minded game? I agree about Dawes and Prucha, though. I'm not sure what good it would be if we had 2 of those players (probably eventually playing on the same line). We'd be a bit too undersized overall. I'd rather trade Dawes than Prucha, but that's really only because I feel Prucha was such a great part of last years team. He defined a lot of what the Rangers were about last year. I'd hate to see him go. I don't know anything about Dubinsky, so I can't comment on him.

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07-22-2006, 12:29 AM
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I don't neccesarily disagree with you, but why should Staal be a replacement to Tyutin. They aren't really the same kind of player. Maybe, I'm wrong, but isn't Staal more defense-minded than Tyutin, who has more of an offensive-minded game? I agree about Dawes and Prucha, though. I'm not sure what good it would be if we had 2 of those players (probably eventually playing on the same line). We'd be a bit too undersized overall. I'd rather trade Dawes than Prucha, but that's really only because I feel Prucha was such a great part of last years team. He defined a lot of what the Rangers were about last year. I'd hate to see him go. I don't know anything about Dubinsky, so I can't comment on him.
I agree about Prucha, but by the same token I'm intrigued by Dawes as a player, because he appears to have a much thicker/stronger body. Of course, Prucha has a great shot and that "nose" for the net that is just God-given. I really like both players, but doubt that we'll wind up with them both on the same squad. And this is exactly the sort of trade (if it is even within the realm of remote possibility) where you cash one of 'em in.

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07-22-2006, 01:04 AM
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That's true. Plus, most likely, if this trade is possible, Pittsburgh will probably more likely want Prucha because he has already shown he can play in the NHL while Dawes might be a complete flop (I don't believe so, I'm just speaking hypothetically) in the NHL. We'll see how it goes.

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07-22-2006, 02:22 AM
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id be very hesitant to trade staal prucha dubinsky and a first for malkin.

ask yourself this. is prucha 1st pick worthy NOW.

yes.

so would you go back in time, and trade 3 first rounders and dubinsky to pittsburgh for their first round pick?
personally id have to say NO, HELL NO, F THAT.

just like i always say, NO player is worth 5 first round picks (RFA), NO player is worth 3 first round picks (what did anaheim give up for pronger again?)
im sorry but 1 player does not a team make.

to get malkin, id be WAY more willing to part with some combination of..

Immonen, Dawes, Tyutin, Rozsival, Pock, Baranka, Sanguinetti, etc, etc

but not for a 30 goal scorer, AND your future anchor on defense AND you future 2nd line center AND a first round pick.

no way.

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07-22-2006, 02:25 AM
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Screw this we tank the season that the draft includes Taveres it would be soooooooo nice to obtain him, but I really don't want us to suck...........

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07-22-2006, 03:33 AM
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Hmmm For Malkin a combination of a few of these guys:

Immonen, Prucha, Dawes, Sauer, Pock, Rozsival, Nylander, HaLL, Tyutin

Depends if they want NHL proven or potential or both.


Immonen, Prucha, Hall 1st Round Pick for example.

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07-22-2006, 03:39 AM
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Immonen, Prucha, Hall 1st Round Pick for example.
You probably have to add to that atleast one more player or a second round pick, bottomline is we don't have the assets to trade for Malkin, we really don't I think the Pens are thinking Lindros like return for him.

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07-22-2006, 06:24 AM
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You probably have to add to that atleast one more player or a second round pick, bottomline is we don't have the assets to trade for Malkin, we really don't I think the Pens are thinking Lindros like return for him.
funny you mention Lindros. Malkin will have the impact of a young Lindros without some of the physicality, head problems, and attitude.

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07-22-2006, 07:49 AM
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If it takes Staal, Prucha, Dubinsky, and a 1st, I think I do it without hesitation. If it's Tyutin, Dawes, Immonen, and a 1st, I take it even faster to prevent them changing their minds. Then I'd throw a party. Then I'd get really really drunk and offer to take all of his rookie hazing for him.

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07-22-2006, 10:52 AM
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I don't see why the pens would have any incentive to trade malkin right now. They finally got the guy to come over, and he's going to be locked into the rookie max for 3 years, so it's not as if they're going to have to pay him by big money. For a team that really needs to start being competative it would seem that trading a 20 ear old whose ready to step in and play now (and by all acounts:be great) seems absurd. The only way I could see them pulling the trigger was if they got a package back for him that was downright silly, and Iwoldn't want to do that.

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07-22-2006, 10:54 AM
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I'd rather we kept Immonen and replaced him with someone else.

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07-22-2006, 11:31 AM
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Id love Malkin, but I dont know If Im eady to strip our prospect pool down by using Prucha, Dubinsky, Stahl, Dawes, and a first for him. Id rather go after Marleau.

Dawes, Tjyutin, Immonen, and Hall for Marleau?

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07-22-2006, 11:36 AM
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Id love Malkin, but I dont know If Im eady to strip our prospect pool down by using Prucha, Dubinsky, Stahl, Dawes, and a first for him. Id rather go after Marleau.

Dawes, Tjyutin, Immonen, and Hall for Marleau?
I say that's too rich (for me.) Take out either Dawes or Tyutin and I'd do it. I'd throw in a second rounder too.

Who are the UFA's after this season? I'd rather tough it out with who we have this year and add a high end talent next off season. That coupled with the continued progress of a couple of our young guys could make for a nice 07-08. And we don't strip the cupboard in the progress.

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07-22-2006, 01:08 PM
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Dawes, Tjyutin, Immonen, and Hall for Marleau?
I think that's way too much for him.

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07-22-2006, 01:16 PM
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I think that's way too much for him.
Ok, how's Dawes, Tyutin, and Hall for Marleau?

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07-22-2006, 01:22 PM
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Ok, how's Dawes, Tyutin, and Hall for Marleau?
Probably not enough.

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07-22-2006, 01:28 PM
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Well, I'm not that big on Marleau, to be quite honest. I wouldn't be willing to give up some of our younger guys for him, but I would for Malkin. I'm sure the chances of getting Malkin are very slim though.

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I'd much rather have Marleau. He's a proven player, who gets better every year. He's young, and would be our future #1 center.

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I suspect that if there is discussion over Marleau, it is mostly from the Rangers' side. The Sharks seem to be in quite a good position at the moment, and I can't see them trading their captain and best playoff performer for futures. They're gearing up for a cup run; you don't load up on prospects to do that.

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I understand that. He's less questionable than Malkin. Honestly, though. Does anyone really think Malkin won't do well in the NHL? He's been playing with professionals in Russia for 3 years now. He held his own in the Olympics. I doubt he won't do well in the NHL. His potential is higher than Marleau's, IMO. If we want to continue the rebuild, why not go after a really young player that could turn into a franchise center? Marleau is young too and I'm sure he'd fit on the Rangers well, I'd just rather have Malkin.

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07-22-2006, 02:02 PM
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Tyutin has got to be in the deal.
1) he hasn't signed yet
2) SJ traded Preissing, and while they have some decent prospects coming up, they need an experience body on their blue now. Patrick Traverse is hardly the solution.
3) Pittsburgh has an OK Dman sextet but it can definitely use an upgrade.

If I was Pittsburgh, I'd be willing to take less if the Rangers took Gonchar's 4 years $5M. How do you think that would change the dynamics of the deal? That contract is like shooting yourself in the metaphoric cap foot. agree/disagree?

Maybe former Nashville GM and current Pens GM Jay Shero still wants Adam Hall. That would be an interesting series of events!

Tyutin, Hall, Immonen, 1st
Malkin, Gonchar

this deal only happens in the new NHL. Even looking at it seems weird but when it comes to lopsided deals, in Sather we trust!

Flame on!

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07-22-2006, 02:06 PM
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n8, that would be one odd deal. How old is Gonchar anyway?

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