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07-23-2006, 03:17 PM
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I'm thinking that maybe Lombardi tries to send one of the bottom 6'ers down in hopes that if he doesn't get claimed, he'll be one of the vets for Manchester. Either way it clears cap space, and if he makes it to Manchester it helps another need.
It really doesn't clear much space. Less than a million really. I like the idea though...

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07-23-2006, 03:28 PM
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It really doesn't clear much space. Less than a million really. I like the idea though...
But a million might be just enough. Belanger, TK, Armstrong, maybe even a guy like Cowan could be on their way to Manchester...

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07-23-2006, 03:29 PM
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But a million might be just enough. Belanger, TK, Armstrong, maybe even a guy like Cowan could be on their way to Manchester...
I agree with all but Belanger...I sincerely doubt that management has any designs of demoting him.

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But a million might be just enough. Belanger, TK, Armstrong, maybe even a guy like Cowan could be on their way to Manchester...
I don't think any of those guys would make it through. They might just as well trade them for picks...

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07-23-2006, 03:31 PM
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I agree with all but Belanger...I sincerely doubt that management has any designs of demoting him.
Stranger things have happened.

Like teams re-signing Steve McKenna.

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07-23-2006, 05:22 PM
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However, IIRC, the salaries of the guys recalled don't count againt the CAP so long as the recalled player's salary is less than that of the injured player? There aren't many cases when the recalled player's salary would be higher.
Not correct....The injures players salary always counts.......only in cases where the injury is long term (at least 24 days and 10 games) can a player replace the injured player....and the replacement does not count.....as long as his salary would put the team over the cap and as long as the replacements salary is not more than the injured player's.

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Not correct....The injures players salary always counts.......only in cases where the injury is long term (at least 24 days and 10 games) can a player replace the injured player....and the replacement does not count.....as long as his salary would put the team over the cap and as long as the replacements salary is not more than the injured player's.
Where and how is my statement not correct then?

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07-23-2006, 05:35 PM
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Where and how is my statement not correct then?
Well your statement did not refer to the long-term injury part.....also the replacement players salary does not count only if it would put the team over the cap.


So if the Kings were sitting at $41 million and Frolov got hurt for over 24 days they could replace him......but the replacements salary would count since there is still $3 million in cap space.....

But if the Kings were sitting at $43.5 million then only the first $500,000 of the replacement player's salary would count against the cap (enough to put the team to the cap ceiling). The remainder of the replacement player's salary would not count against the cap....as long as it did not exceed Frolov's (or whoever the injured player was) salary.

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07-23-2006, 05:35 PM
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I would be very suprised if Brown got much more than his qualifying offer. IMO he is in a similiar situation as Kesler in VAN. They have both played very well in the AHL, but have yet to be top 6 in the NHL. $700,000- $800,000 one yr deal seems fair to me.

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07-23-2006, 05:38 PM
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I would be very suprised if Brown got much more than his qualifying offer. IMO he is in a similiar situation as Kesler in VAN. They have both played very well in the AHL, but have yet to be top 6 in the NHL. $700,000- $800,000 one yr deal seems fair to me.
Brown already makes $942,000.....his qualifying offer has to be 5% more than that....so $989,100 would be Brown's qualifying offer.

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07-23-2006, 05:54 PM
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Brown already makes $942,000.....his qualifying offer has to be 5% more than that....so $989,100 would be Brown's qualifying offer.
Seems unlikely that'll be the number...provided the 4-year deal rumour is true.

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07-23-2006, 05:57 PM
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Seems unlikely that'll be the number...provided the 4-year deal rumour is true.
I didn't say that would be the number....I was just showing nK that Brown would not be signing for $700 - $800 thousand deal....since that would be taking a paycut.

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07-23-2006, 05:59 PM
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I didn't say that would be the number....I was just showing nK that Brown would not be signing for $700 - $800 thousand deal....since that would be taking a paycut.
I know...just an observation.

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07-23-2006, 05:59 PM
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Well your statement did not refer to the long-term injury part.....also the replacement players salary does not count only if it would put the team over the cap.


So if the Kings were sitting at $41 million and Frolov got hurt for over 24 days they could replace him......but the replacements salary would count since there is still $3 million in cap space.....

But if the Kings were sitting at $43.5 million then only the first $500,000 of the replacement player's salary would count against the cap (enough to put the team to the cap ceiling). The remainder of the replacement player's salary would not count against the cap....as long as it did not exceed Frolov's (or whoever the injured player was) salary.
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I know...just an observation.
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07-23-2006, 06:01 PM
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07-23-2006, 06:31 PM
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Brown already makes $942,000.....his qualifying offer has to be 5% more than that....so $989,100 would be Brown's qualifying offer.
His salary last yr included some of his signing bonus, usually around $200,000-$250,000. QO only have to be made on the base salary.

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07-23-2006, 06:58 PM
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His salary last yr included some of his signing bonus, usually around $200,000-$250,000. QO only have to be made on the base salary.
$942,000 was Brown's base salary....his QO is based on that.

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07-24-2006, 01:45 AM
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It should be interesting to see how Crow plays him. Which line was Avery on with Murray, and would you expect anything to change?
he was in the box too much to really have a 'line' per say.

but his push ups after his goal made up for it. i nearly pissed myself laughing at that.

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07-24-2006, 01:54 AM
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I don't think any of those guys would make it through. They might just as well trade them for picks...
Now that I'm looking at it, it may not be as bad as I thought.

Say our top 2 lines are...

Frolov-Conroy-Cammalleri
Brown-McCauley-O'Sullivan

that leaves a bottom 6 of...

Thornton-Avery-Cowan
Armstrong-Belanger-Willsie

Of course TK, Parros, Willsie, Cowan and Thornton rotating as being the healthy scratches. It could work, I just don't how it'd be salary wise.

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07-24-2006, 02:31 AM
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Depends what the trio of Brown / Cammalleri / Gleason get ... and that's the basic roster in our thread on LGK, we could be pushing up close to the CAP depending upon the trio's raises ... also here and on LGK there were threads about expected point production from the roster and it's not far off if not maybe better than last year, so if the defense and goaltending can improve, the Kings may not be as bad this year as we thought they would ... time will tell.

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07-24-2006, 02:35 AM
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Haha... Avery is on "double-secret probation"...
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"This isn't like he's getting a clean slate with a new general manager and a new coach," said Dean Lombardi, the Kings' first-year GM. "He's still on double-secret probation."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey...nes-sports-nhl

How cool is it for a serious President and General Manager to be quoting a screwball comedy like Animal House?

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Haha... Avery is on "double-secret probation'

How cool is it for a serious President and General Manager to be quoting a screwball comedy like Animal House?
"She'll take this seriously."


Ok, Animal House quotes aside, I hope that leash includes a shock collar. No one has forgotten that Avery is a locker room cancer. Let's hope the infusion of veterans helps deflect the severity of the next stupid thing Avery does. Some fable about a scorpion and a frog crossing a river comes to mind... I hope I'm wrong.

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07-24-2006, 09:55 AM
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"Did we give up after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Last year Sean was the ONLY player fined for diving. Now I'm biased, I admit it, but I don't think of Sean as a diver anywhere near the classic divers. I don't see stick work, intentional boarding, high hits. Potty mouth, OK, I'll buy that as his big crime.

I do see intensity, speed, grit, protection for his teammates, and an unwillingness to accept losing. This is a relatively small guy with the heart of a bulldog. With the new management in place I'd say that if he was a "cancer" he would have been dropped like a hot potato. Instead he was given a new contract. He's still on "double-secret probation", as he should be, but someone Lombardi likes probably stood up for Sean like Sean's stood up for his teammates. Huzzah!

On the other hand he could get shipped out tomorrow, that would sadden me.

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damn.....in a far fetched dream, i was hoping he would come back to detroit.

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