Without knowing a ton about Hall, it seems like a good trade on the surface IMO. Hall is a big guy who plays a good north to south game, according to scouting reports. He's shown some more offense than Moore, but it's debatable whether Moore might find some more offense in his game as he spends more time in the NHL.
The Rangers alleviate some of the (potential) logjam at center and add size and grit to the lineup...not bad, but a few things. One, he's listed as a RW. Can he play other positions? Can he play LW? Is he going to bump Ward out of a spot? Or will he play on the 4th line?
Also, can he PK? That was a big plus for Dom, he was a good PKer. Hopefully the PK doesn't take a hit
edit again: It appears Nashville then flipped Moore to the Pens.
I don't mind this trade much. We really had a glut of centers and this pretty much assures a spot being open for a guy like Immonen or Dubinsky on that 3rd line now.
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I am a huge Dominic Moore fan, but you really have to LOVE this trade. The Rangers have some serious organizational depth at center, so this to me means that the fourth line is going to be centered by a rookie this year (and not Immonen, I'm thinking either G. Moore or Dubinsky). Also, Hall scored nearly twice as many points as Moore did last season (he is always hovering around the 30 point mark), and he is alot bigger and more physical than Moore.
although very curious and I don't think that's the last of Sather's moves. He acquires a guy who scored 15 goals last season, 10 of which were on the PP (is there enough PP time to go around for all these guys?). He had 4 goals and 9 assists at even strength to Moore's 7 and 7, with Moore playing less ES time. So, essentially Sather may've acquired a guy less productive than Moore, and a guy who was playing nearly 17 minutes each night. I don't mind Hall, I especially like his hustle and size, but I think there may be other moves.
Where is Hall going to play? We already have guys like Ward and Ortmeyer playing RW on the bottom lines. I guess he moves to LW? Hall-Immonen-Ward could be a good line. Leaves Hollweg-Betts-Ortmeyer for the third line. Where does Hossa play? Plus I don't see room for Rucinsky coming back now.
don't be surprised to see Hall playing with Cullen and Shanahan, unless Ward is moved. As I mentioned, Hall played nearly 17 minutes per night in Nashville. It would be odd to acquire a guy and then play him 12-13 minutes per night. I just wonder if he's going to get PP time. He spent a lot of time on the PP, which accounted for most of his production. He's not going to get those kind of minutes playing behind Jagr on the PP. Again, this is a curious move. They got a solid return, but I think I need to see how this all shakes out.
Love this trade. I didnt see a spot for Moore this season anyway (unless he was going to play wing..but is isnt effective there at all) so getting size in exchange for him is a nice deal. The guy also has more scoring then Moore which is another upgrade. Not a huge trade, but a good one in my books.
i like this trade, but does anyone know if hall plays both wings? with the shanahan signing, it's more likely prucha is moved to 2nd line RW, and then ward, ortmeyer. where does hall play if he can't play 3rd line LW?
the 'more scoring' may be questionable, as I pointed out. He scored 3 less even strength goals than Moore did last season, and was on the ice for more minutes. Overall goal scoring, yes, but is he really going to play much on the PP at right wing to get 15 goals again? Perhaps he plays with better players and gets his scoring up (Shanny and Cullen). I just don't know as of now.
don't be surprised to see Hall playing with Cullen and Shanahan, unless Ward is moved. As I mentioned, Hall played nearly 17 minutes per night in Nashville. It would be odd to acquire a guy and then play him 12-13 minutes per night.
Yeah Fletch you have a good point considering the minutes he was getting in Nashville. I guess we do have to wait and see if there are any additional moves before the season starts. Because if Ward isn't moved and Hall plays with Cullen and Shanny on the 2nd line, that leaves 2 top-two-line forwards (Straka and Prucha) vying for spots on the 1st line. I just don't want to see a guy like Prucha get bumped back down to the 3rd line, unless he's being centered by a guy more offensively capable than Betts.
I love this move. Hall is a guy who is a power forward type player, who can throw the body around and play a sound game on both sides. I liked Moore and he impressed me but this move i think is more about freeing up center ice which is great for other guys like the other Moore to get a crack.
Maybe- He also could be used on a power play unit (had 10 PP goals last season) and take punishment in front and not give a crap. The lack of guys in front was in my mind a huge problem for the Rangers last season. We havent seen that since a former Adam was around. Love it
Gotta admit I REALLY like this trade, though I would've thought it'd take more to get Hall.
Hall is a kid I followed very closely in college and through the years, I've always liked him.
The thing with Hall is that I have a feeling that might still be another level for him to hit in his development. He's a big kid who hasn't always been on strong teams.
Honestly I do think he has 25 goal potential if he puts it all together. The kid won't be 26 till August and in the right system, could really surprise some people.
He is willing to drop the gloves as well, and I believe even had a scrap with Shanahan a few years back and held his own nicely.
I was thinking the other day how it'd be neat if the Rangers could get a younger power forward and have him learn from Shanahan. Hall might be a good candidate for that.
He can play either wing so that really isn't a problem and I don't think it'd be out of line to give him PP time and switch him into the top 6 as well. As I've said before, I think you'll see different combos depending on the situation and Hall could certainly fit with that approach.
REALLY like the move. He was a kid I wanted back in '99. Def. not a gurantee, but the potential is there for a bit more than what one might think we're getting.