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08-05-2006, 07:55 AM
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does anyone know the Koivu story from this morning la Presse?

I read the cover of the journal la presse this morning, and it said: Koivu and Bouillon could miss the beggining of the season. so the thing i wanna know is what are the latest news on Koivu, as long as someone tell me his career is not in danger anymore, than i will be happy... but what is the story? anyone?

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I read the cover of the journal la presse this morning, and it said: Koivu and Bouillon could miss the beggining of the season. so the thing i wanna know is what are the latest news on Koivu, as long as someone tell me his career is not in danger anymore, than i will be happy... but what is the story? anyone?

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I'll preface this by saying I have no idea what the true story is or what La Presse is reporting.

But it wouldn't surprise me in the least if any such "stories" are basically the result of a slow news month for the Habs. We've got everybody signed, we're capped out, there is absolutely nothing to write about concerning the Habs right now. Well, unless you want to make some dramatic claims that Bouillon's 4-6 week recovery period from his scope procedure will keep him out for 3 months instead. Or that Koivu's eye hasn't healed. Etc.

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I'll preface this by saying I have no idea what the true story is or what La Presse is reporting.

But it wouldn't surprise me in the least if any such "stories" are basically the result of a slow news month for the Habs. We've got everybody signed, we're capped out, there is absolutely nothing to write about concerning the Habs right now. Well, unless you want to make some dramatic claims that Bouillon's 4-6 week recovery period from his scope procedure will keep him out for 3 months instead. Or that Koivu's eye hasn't healed. Etc.

well that why i dont wanna interpret those lines on the cover and get the facts... if any. but i know sometimes Lapresse does have some interesting news.. unlike the journal the montreal who are more the paparazzi type journalim instead of classy people trying to get the facts (Mathias Brunet) IMO.

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You can read it there:

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...006/CPSPORTS01

It says that Koivu does not know if he will start the season with the Canadiens. He is not currently skating, but his eye is making progress.

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http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...006/CPSPORTS01

Here's the link for the article.

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Lors d'un tournoi de golf organisé en banlieue de Helsinki par l'équipe nationale finlandaise, Koivu a indiqué que sa blessure à l'oeil gauche, subie durant les séries éliminatoires, ne lui nuisait plus dans l'accomplissement de ses tâches quotidiennes, mais qu'elle l'avait empêché de reprendre l'entraînement sur patins jusqu'ici. "Je devrai d'abord subir un autre examen médical, a-t-il indiqué aux reporters réunis au club de golf de Kullo. Je verrai ensuite s'il est approprié que je saute sur la glace."

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Selon Francine Mathieu-Millaire, neuro-ophtalmologiste con-sultée en mai par La Presse, les plus grands risques posés par ce type de blessure sont l'infiltration de liquide sous la rétine et le développement à moyen terme d'un glaucome. Une intervention rapide comme celle qu'a subie Koivu empêche habituellement l'infiltration de liquide. Quant à la prévention du glaucome, elle demande des examens médicaux réguliers dans les mois qui suivent l'opération.
The texts read something like that (free form translation by me):

"Met during a golf tournament organised by the Finnish natinal team in the Helsinki suburbs, Koivu mentionned that, while his left eye injury did not hinder him in his every day tasks, it kept him from resuming practice: "I will need to get another medical exam first, Koivu told the reporters assembled at the Kullo golf club. I will see afterwards if it is suitable for me to go on the ice."

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According to Francine Mathieu-Millaire, a neuro-ophtalmologist met in May by La Presse, the greatest risks presented by this type of injury are the infiltration of liquid under the retina and the development, subsequently, of a glucoma. The rapid medical support Koivu got usually inhibits the infiltration of liquid. Concerning the prevention of a glucoma, it asks for regular medical exams in the months following the operation"

Nothing really definitive if you ask me.


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http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...006/CPSPORTS01

Here's the link for the article.



The texts read something like that (free form translation by me):

"Met during a golf tournament organised by the Finnish natinal team in the Helsinki suburbs, Koivu mentionned that, while his left eye injury did not hinder him in his every day tasks, it kept him from resuming practice: "I will need to get another medical exam first, Koivu told the reporters assembled at the Kullo golf club. I will see afterwards if it is suitable for me to go on the ice."

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According to Francine Mathieu-Millaire, a neuro-ophtalmologist met in May by La Presse, the greatest risks presented by this type of injury are the infiltration of liquid under the retina and the development, subsequently, of a glucoma. The rapid medical support Koivu got usually inhibits the infiltration of liquid. Concerning the prevention of a glucoma, it asks for regular medical exams in the months following the operation"

Nothing really definitive if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure Marksman translated a Finnish article from yesterday or the day before where Koivu said he was doing on ice practices.

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I'm pretty sure Marksman translated a Finnish article from yesterday or the day before where Koivu said he was doing on ice practices.
Well, actually he only said he had been only doing basic training, nothing about having been on the ice. Could be just lifting weights, running, riding stat bike and that sort of activity to keep himself from going out of shape. Maybe I shouldnt used word 'drills' down there...

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But it wouldn't surprise me in the least if any such "stories" are basically the result of a slow news month for the Habs. We've got everybody signed, we're capped out, there is absolutely nothing to write about concerning the Habs right now. Well, unless you want to make some dramatic claims that Bouillon's 4-6 week recovery period from his scope procedure will keep him out for 3 months instead. Or that Koivu's eye hasn't healed. Etc.
Knock it off. La Presse is reputable and respected when it comes to Habs coverage. They don't just make things up. And when they write stuff like 'Rivet is playing badly', it's because it's true, not because they don't like anglophones.

The article is based on an interview with Koivu, in which he says he's not sure if he'll be able to start the season with the team.

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Still got my Get Better Koivu avatar going strong...where did everyone elses go?

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Ryder still recovering from injury

The Canadiens will start the season without defenceman Francis Bouillon. Bouillon, who received a hefty raise this summer, underwent knee surgery in Vail, Colo., on Wednesday and won't be able to play until the first week of November. In other medical news, the Canadiens said they expect forwards Michael Ryder and Saku Koivu to be healthy when training camp opens in mid-September. Ryder is home in Newfoundland where he is receiving treatment for a troublesome disc in his back, while the team is expecting an update next week on Koivu, whose sight is improving after he took a stick in his left eye during the playoffs. - Montreal Gazette


I haven't seen this anywhere so I thought I might as well post it.

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I thought Ryder would be healthy by now

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Damn first Koivu, then Bouillon and now Ryder. It is going from bad to worse...

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Damn first Koivu, then Bouillon and now Ryder. It is going from bad to worse...
Actually, it was Ryder then Bouillon and then Saku in that order. Altough it's been said Bouillon had been carrying the injury for 2 years now and Ryder had been injured the whole year.

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He should have had surgery too.

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Knock it off. La Presse is reputable and respected when it comes to Habs coverage. They don't just make things up. And when they write stuff like 'Rivet is playing badly', it's because it's true, not because they don't like anglophones.
I don't read La Presse. Well, not regularly anyway. But it would amaze me if they weren't in line with any typical news agency which would naturally tend to glamourize/exaggerate/dramatize any news items during slow times. It's normal.
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The article is based on an interview with Koivu, in which he says he's not sure if he'll be able to start the season with the team.
Knock it off. The only thing Koivu says in that article is that he has to undergo another examination and that things are progressing well. He doesn't mention anything about being unsure if he'll start the season with the team. However, that's the slant that the media will certainly want to portray to stir the ol' juices a bit, of course.

As for Rivet... if La Presse wrote at any point last season that he was playing badly (not sure how this comes into it, but anyway), then they would have been making things up. Not really sure why you mention an anglophone slant either, since neither Koivu nor Bouillon are anglophone to my knowledge. I'll assume you have me confused with somebody else in a past debate.

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Damn first Koivu, then Bouillon and now Ryder. It is going from bad to worse...
don't forget Streit no guarentee he'll be ready for that start of the season cote migth get a chance

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Damn first Koivu, then Bouillon and now Ryder. It is going from bad to worse...
We can also add Streit and Latendresse on this list. Sad.

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We can also add Streit and Latendresse on this list. Sad.
Damn, damn, damn. Hopefully they'll be ready for camp...

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They said they expect Ryder and Koivu back. Don't get all doom and gloom yet

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Koivu said that he still can't skate or do anything on ice. He says he's going to have it checked again to see if he can eventually. He says he has trouble opening his eye and that it's still very sensitive to sunlight, and that this healing will depend on how fast his sensitivity goes away. The reporter says that Koivu is not yet sure he'll start the season. Unless you're saying that the reporter is making that up.

As for Rivet, two seasons ago, when he was indeed playing very badly. Unfortunately, his defenders kept saying things like "he played well at the WC with Bouwmeester" as though that changed how he was playing in the NHL, or that the only reason people were saying he was playing badly was because writers in La Presse like Réjean Tremblay were saying so, as if fans weren't able to make up their minds by themselves.

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Koivu said that he still can't skate or do anything on ice. He says he's going to have it checked again to see if he can eventually. He says he has trouble opening his eye and that it's still very sensitive to sunlight, and that this healing will depend on how fast his sensitivity goes away. The reporter says that Koivu is not yet sure he'll start the season. Unless you're saying that the reporter is making that up.

That's not in the article.
In any case, this is not fist-hand information, no one covers Finland so it was obviously translated.
Unless since Saku won't learn french maybe reporters are learning finnish.

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i still don't understand why it says that bouillon won't be ready for the start of the season. 4-6 weeks will be over before pre-season

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That's not in the article.
In any case, this is not fist-hand information, no one covers Finland so it was obviously translated.
Unless since Saku won't learn french maybe reporters are learning finnish.
Yes it is.

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Not in the link posted above, but in the paper copy.

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i still don't understand why it says that bouillon won't be ready for the start of the season. 4-6 weeks will be over before pre-season
it was upped to 10-12 weeks

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