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11-10-2003, 10:06 PM
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Be a GM and fix the Flames!!

Ok, all you hockey freaks and no-it-alls, tell us all how you would turn this team into a winner.
What you have to work with is:
1) Great young D
2) Nice propects for the future
3) Iginla

Keep in mind the Flames are at their budget now and you have to work with the $$$ they are at now.

Can't wait

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11-10-2003, 10:13 PM
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Rent a time machine, go back draft Samsonov instead of Tkachuk, and not trade away/waive players under age 23 nor goalies named Giguere.

Without the time machine, the question is more difficult. I'll have to think about it.

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Its too much work, however i'll try and start something:
1. Trade Iginla

Iginla to Philidelphia
Gagne and Williams to Calgary

2. Trade Conroy
Conroy and Clark to Phoenix
Doan to Calgary

3. An additional trade

Stefan to Calgary
Mc Ammond and Draft pick? to Atlanta

And Already i think we're looking better, while it eliminates the chance of the "chemistry" these three had coming back to haunt us.

Follow this up with wasting Gauthier
Gauthier to Buffalo
Afinogenov???/Dumont/Brown to Calgary

See i'm not too sure if these deals are fair, however i do know that they'll save the team money.
The one last hope i have, Get Theo Fleury for cheap, if he's available, i'm not sure on his status.

It saves Salary, keep McLennan and Sabourin, and if there are any more chances on offense, get them!

It seems inevitable we're gonna have an average net minder, no point wasting more money on another average goalie, so conceed the goals a game, at around 2-4 and get enough offence to deal with that, and just hope that McLennan/Sabourin/Krahn has a good game!

(i know it won't happen, but its a start)

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2. Trade Conroy
Conroy and Clark to Phoenix
Doan to Calgary

3. An additional trade

Stefan to Calgary
Mc Ammond and Draft pick? to Atlanta
Neither of these deals have any chance.. sorry Phoenix isn't going to trade away there captain for a soon-to-be UFA and a redundant checking forward.. Doan is really breaking out this year and it'll probably take a lot more than that to get him.

While Atlanta might be interested in picking up McAmmond to help their scoring with Heater/Savard out, they're not likely to give up Stefan for him. McAmmond has already seen his better days and isn't really doing much in Calgary right now. Stefan on the other hand is quickly approaching bust territory but is still only 23 years old.. the risk that Stefan could bust out and become a great player is not worth picking up McAmmond for. Nice try though.. Doan would look great in Calgary (or preferably Edmonton.. stupid Steve Kelly ).

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11-10-2003, 11:21 PM
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Do what works for all crappy/poor teams-
1.balanced scoring
2.strong d
3.good/great goaltending
4.play the boring trap exclusively

Steps-
1)trade Iginla for (Hossa,Ryder,Garon, and Perezhogin) or (Datsyuk,Zetterburg,Legace) or (Gagne,Williams,Esche) or (Chistov,Lupul,Garon) none are even close to balanced just off the top of my head throw in Gauthier or picks if you have to
2)Place Turek firmly in nearest waste disposal unit(i.e. trash can)
3)Don't fire Sutter
4)Draft intelligently always go pre-dominantly for defence men more so than forwards, Sutter and recent history have shown that you have better success developing them, you will become the leagues defense farm and can trade them when best suited to fullfill your more pressing likely offensive needs.
5)No more Iginla sized contracts if you get anyone that good trade them
6)No player makes more than 3million unless his name is Leopold or Phaneuf maybe whoever becomes your no.1 goaltender.
7)all centers two-way centers with 50%+ face off win ratios
8)hire special teams coach get really good at pp and pk and keep as many defence men with bullet shots from the point as possible
9)don't trade young stars who are still cheap and have yet to meet their potential
10)Stay the course your getting better already, do these and you will be in the playoffs

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11-11-2003, 03:31 AM
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Do what works for all crappy/poor teams-
1.balanced scoring
2.strong d
3.good/great goaltending
4.play the boring trap exclusively

Steps-
1)trade Iginla for (Hossa,Ryder,Garon, and Perezhogin) or (Datsyuk,Zetterburg,Legace) or (Gagne,Williams,Esche) or (Chistov,Lupul,Garon) none are even close to balanced just off the top of my head throw in Gauthier or picks if you have to
Good suggestions, though I think you overestimate Iginlas trade value. Pretty much all the deals offered are overpayments, even without salary considerations. No one wants to give up young high potential players for a guy that makes 8 mil a year, especially since he wasnt in the race for any scoring titles last season. Throwing in Gauthier doesn't change this central fact, and Calgary should not trade ANY draft picks. If you want to trade Iggy, you will have to include at least one high salary player coming back.

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Good suggestions, though I think you overestimate Iginlas trade value.
I dunno apparently Montreal said pick any 3 players for Iginla aside from Koivu&Theodore(probably BS)and Philly last year apparently offered (Gagne,Williams, and Pitkanen)(hopefully BS too). I hope your right in that I over-value because I don't think he's worth anywhere close to either of those 2 deals but they were both rumoured to be on the table

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From the not-too-distant past:

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=26378

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1. Trade Iginla, Gauthier, Conroy, McAmmond and the rights to Roman Turek in exchange for Luongo, Huselius, Jokinen and Van Ryn .

2. Play Oliwa only during tough divisional matches and give Saprykin more ice time!

New Lines:
Huselius/Jokinen/Rhino
Gelinas/Lombardi/Kobasew
Saprykin/Yelle/Donovan
Lowry/Betts/Clark

Regehr/Leopold
Warriner/Lydman
Ference/Van Ryn

Luongo
McLennan

Looks good to me.

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I dunno apparently Montreal said pick any 3 players for Iginla aside from Koivu&Theodore(probably BS)and Philly last year apparently offered (Gagne,Williams, and Pitkanen)(hopefully BS too). I hope your right in that I over-value because I don't think he's worth anywhere close to either of those 2 deals but they were both rumoured to be on the table
Philly apparently offered Gagne and Williams, but the deal was killed because the flames also wanted Pitkanen or Woywitka. That was also before we got Tony Amonte from the Yotes, eating up any room in our salary structure. Just to sign Pitkanen and keep our current roster, both Recchi and Primeau had to defer half their salary for a year.

Now Williams is on fire, again Iginla isn't scoring like someone on pace for the scoring title, and his salary has only gotten larger in the second year of his contract.

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Iginla needs a setup man to get him going. Would Calgary be interested in Todd White from the Sens? He has pretty decent offensive skills and if he could get some chemistry with Iginla, they could put up some pretty good numbers. I'd love to keep Todd in Ottawa but there's no room at center for him and he's not very good along the boards to be a winger. I think his trade value is higher in Ottawa than anywhere else, so a draft pick or prospect (defenceman preferably) is all Ottawa would get, probably. He's put up 50 pts and 60 pts in back to back seasons so he has some offensive flair. I have Iginla in my hockey pool so Calgary needs to get him going. I think White could be that player at a cheap price. What do you think? Keep in mind White's injured at the moment...but I don't think it's serious.

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1. Trade Iginla, Gauthier, Conroy, McAmmond and the rights to Roman Turek in exchange for Luongo, Huselius, Jokinen and Van Ryn .
Geez,why not just swap teams!!

Anyway...off to work and i have a suspicion by the time i get home the Flames will have different personal.

Gomez to Calgary anyone....:dazzle:

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Geez,why not just swap teams!!

Anyway...off to work and i have a suspicion by the time i get home the Flames will have different personal.

Gomez to Calgary anyone....:dazzle:
I don't think so, Calgary is famous for sitting on their hands and doing nothing.

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i would do nothing
show patience

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the first thing i would do is to trade for wiemer and then ship connie away for picks, prospects.

then would i try to reunite the kid line of saprykin, lombardi and kobasew if only for a couple of games at least.

...and of course recall dome and commodore and give them a good look. scratch gauthier and mcammond, they've been awful.

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1. Trade Conroy, Gauthier for Gomez.
2. Keep Iginla
3. Trade McAmmond for Hurme
4. Call up Commodore
5. Buyout McLennan when Turek becomes healthy


Reinprecht-Gomez-Iginla
Gelinas-Lombardi-Kobasew
Saprykin-Yelle-Donovan
Oliwa/Lowry-Betts-Clark

Regehr-Leopold
Lydman-Commodore
Ference-Warrener

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1. Trade Conroy, Gauthier for Gomez.
2. Keep Iginla
3. Trade McAmmond for Hurme
4. Call up Commodore
5. Buyout McLennan when Turek becomes healthy


Reinprecht-Gomez-Iginla
Gelinas-Lombardi-Kobasew
Saprykin-Yelle-Donovan
Oliwa/Lowry-Betts-Clark

Regehr-Leopold
Lydman-Commodore
Ference-Warrener

Turek
Hurme
1) Three way with NJ with Gomez landing in Edmonton, Comrie in Calgary and Conroy in NJ.

2) Trade Lydman and 2nd pick for Scratchard and Weimer.

3) Trade Yelle and Lowry for Hurme and Stefan.

4) When Turek healthy, send down McLennan on waivers.

McAmmond-Comrie-Iginla
Gelinas-Stefan-Kobasew
Saprykin-Scratchard-Reinprecht
Weimer-Lombardi-Clark

Regehr-Leopold
Gauthier-Commodore
Ference-Warrener

Hurme
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Biron for Gauthier?


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1) Three way with NJ with Gomez landing in Edmonton, Comrie in Calgary and Conroy in NJ.

2) Trade Lydman and 2nd pick for Scratchard and Weimer.

3) Trade Yelle and Lowry for Hurme and Stefan.

4) When Turek healthy, send down McLennan on waivers.

McAmmond-Comrie-Iginla
Gelinas-Stefan-Kobasew
Saprykin-Scratchard-Reinprecht
Weimer-Lombardi-Clark

Regehr-Leopold
Gauthier-Commodore
Ference-Warrener

Hurme
Turek
If Mike Comrie is traded to Calgary I become Senators fan, that simple! :mad:

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1) Three way with NJ with Gomez landing in Edmonton, Comrie in Calgary and Conroy in NJ.

2) Trade Lydman and 2nd pick for Scratchard and Weimer.

3) Trade Yelle and Lowry for Hurme and Stefan.

4) When Turek healthy, send down McLennan on waivers.
1) Will never happen...ever...

2) I would personally kick Sutter in the balls if he traded Lydman for that crap package.

3) Yelle is a great player and Sutter likes him alot. He won't be going anywhere.

4) Turek won't be back anytime soon. I'd be surprised if he played before January.

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2) I would personally kick Sutter in the balls if he traded Lydman for that crap package.
Crap ? Lydmen is overpaid for what he brings. Scatchard is a hard nosed big 20 goal scoring C.

Exactly the type of warrior that Sutter would love.

Scatchard for Lydmen is a win for CGY and a deal NYI doesnt make. Isnt their defense good enough without adding an overpaid overhyped never done anything soft dman ?

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First trade McAmmond to ATL for Patrick Stefan - 340K

Then get a 3 way deal and trade Iginla and Conroy for Gagne Comrie Therien and Richards - 3.5M

Next I would trade Ference to Wsh for a pick -500k

Then trade pick for Boucher + 2.2m

Total - 2.14M plus insurance pays 80% of Tureks salary so we save 3.6M

LEFT CENTER RIGHT
Gagne Comrie Reinprecht
Gelinas Stefan Kobasew
Saprykin Yelle Clark
Oliwa Betts Donavan
Lowry Lombardi

DEFENSE DEFENSE
Warrener Therien
Gauthier Lydman
Regehr Leopold

GOALIE
Boucher
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1) Will never happen...ever...

2) I would personally kick Sutter in the balls if he traded Lydman for that crap package.

3) Yelle is a great player and Sutter likes him alot. He won't be going anywhere.

4) Turek won't be back anytime soon. I'd be surprised if he played before January.
No really,tell me what you really think.

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go in the tank right now and win the draft lottery
i think his name is ovenchin or nextofkin or something

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go in the tank right now and win the draft lottery
i think his name is ovenchin or nextofkin or something
Sadly enough, this is actually one of the ways that very poor teams eventually improve and how mediocre teams stay mediocre. While previous bad teams like Ottawa certainly didn't try to tank, drafting guys like Yashin, Bonk, Berard (turned into Redden) and Hossa relatively early in the draft propelled them to greatness. On the other hand, a team like Calgary has been on the cusp of the playoffs for the past few years and has thus missed out on picking in the top 4. Ironically enough, the worst thing for a mediocre team is to finish just out of the playoffs.. you miss the postseason and you miss getting a really high draft pick!

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