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08-07-2006, 05:34 PM
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MTL/NYI Proposal and MTL/CLB

To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick



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To MTL : Bryan Berard or Rostislav Klesla

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To CLB : David Aebischer

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08-07-2006, 05:36 PM
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08-07-2006, 05:36 PM
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To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick

I would say fair deal from an Islanders point of view and i would love to have Ryder. Main problem though is our defense is weak as is and Zhitnik's cap freindly 3.5M dollar contract would be hard to give up.

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To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick

Smokers are jokers. Habs get heisted


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To MTL : Bryan Berard or Rostislav Klesla

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To CLB : David Aebischer
More fair... the Habs would probably have to add a decent pick for Klesla however

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08-07-2006, 05:50 PM
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I actually don't mind the trade idea with Columbus. But that would give us one too many defenseman so another trade would have to be in the works.

I'm not ready to trade Ryder at this point. If we can't get a long term deal done later on this winter, then trade him but we desperately need his goals!

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08-07-2006, 05:53 PM
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is Ryder a UFA next season?

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08-07-2006, 06:03 PM
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Smokers are jokers. Habs get heisted
Not really, affordable top pairing defensemen are at a premium these days. Ryder, though I like his game a lot, will be UFA in a year, and plays a position which most teams have depth at and which is operall a less crucial position (just look at the trade deadline, for example on what wingers returned vs. defensemen).

So 1 year of a player who plays a position we are deep at, or 3 years of a player who plays a position we are shallow at.

If you think Streit and a 4th make up the difference, that's your perogative (personally, they do pretty much nothing for me) but to say the Canadiens are getting ripped is a bit ridiculous. Especially when they are moving from a position they have more depth at for a position they have less at.

Anyway, while I don't think the value is horrible, I'd have to say no to Ryder+ for Zhitnik. The Isles simply can't go into next season with a top pairing of Witt-Poti.

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08-07-2006, 06:09 PM
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Ryder is still an RFA next season. Anyway, it doesn't matter, we still have no especial need for Zhitnik. We probably need Ryder's scoring touch more. Whether the deal is fair value or not, it doesn't fit for the Habs.

The other deal is just silly. Goalies like Aebischer probably have extremely low value right now. Klesla is just not on. I suppose a day could come when a team tires of Berard, but anyway, it's still not on for him either. At best, we'll just have to wait until the season is well (as in past Christmas) underway before we have any idea if we need Aebischer or not, and whether there is a market for him or not.

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is Ryder a UFA next season?
I don't think so... he doesn't have the accrued seasons but I'm not totally sure about the age.

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08-07-2006, 06:13 PM
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you could probably have berard.. but no way would the bluejackets give up klesla for what would be a backup goalie. and i hope you don't think i'm over rating klesla(or leclaire) by saying that.

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08-07-2006, 06:28 PM
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To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick
ehhhh from a habs fan perspective this is the worse trade for Montreal that I ever saw on those boards....

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08-07-2006, 06:36 PM
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ehhhh from a habs fan perspective this is the worse trade for Montreal that I ever saw on those boards....
so i take it Montreal's defense is comparible to Anaheims. Zhitnick is basically a decent #2/great #3 defenseman. Take the stats for what they are worth but he had a positive plus/minus on a team that was full of negatives.

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08-07-2006, 06:39 PM
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I don't think so... he doesn't have the accrued seasons but I'm not totally sure about the age.
Hrm, well, he'll be 27, which I believe is the age for UFA next offseason? I could be wrong, I can't remember for sure.

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08-07-2006, 06:41 PM
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ehhhh from a habs fan perspective this is the worse trade for Montreal that I ever saw on those boards....
Well, when the only competition is Aebischer, Zednik and a pick for another team's superstar, anything's going to look worse in comparision.

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ehhhh from a habs fan perspective this is the worse trade for Montreal that I ever saw on those boards....
Well of course! No trade to Montreal is good unless one or all of Ribeiro, Bonk, Abe are going the other way. J/K

But in all seriousness, I don't think that deal is bad or great for either team. Ryder is a good young talent but his offense is still replaceble on the UFA market. Whereas a top four Dman is harder to come bye.

But I'm not going to to in depth about this b/c fans is short for fanatics. And I'm sure there will be plenty of people who are going to go to write posts with extreme and rediclous bias due to their man-crushes for hometown players.

I will say this about the original Zhitnik deal. How about no for both sides and we wait... Maybe by the trade deadline things will become more clear. Isles may be out of it, Montreal may have injuries or players that don't pan out. Then maybe a deal makes sense.

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08-07-2006, 06:45 PM
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Hrm, well, he'll be 27, which I believe is the age for UFA next offseason? I could be wrong, I can't remember for sure.
I think you need 4 accured seasons. Including the lockout, Ryder will have 4 I believe.

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If the Isles were to make that trade they'd become the worst team in hockey overnight. They'd be giving up the best player in the deal, and he plays at a position of weakness for them while Ryder plays at a position of strength.

It makes no sense for the Isles.

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To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick



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To MTL : Bryan Berard or Rostislav Klesla

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To CLB : David Aebischer

Hell no to the first one from a Montreal perspective.

I could see a 1 for 1 trade (either berard or klesla straight up for Aebischer) but not both.

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08-07-2006, 07:13 PM
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CBJ are set for the start of the season in net.

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To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick



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To MTL : Bryan Berard or Rostislav Klesla

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To CLB : David Aebischer


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To MTL : Alexei Zhitnik

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To NYI: Michael Ryder+Mark Streit+4th pick



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To MTL : Bryan Berard or Rostislav Klesla

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To CLB : David Aebischer
stop making trade proposals.

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I think you need 4 accured seasons. Including the lockout, Ryder will have 4 I believe.
From the CBA faq:

in 2007-08, a player age 28 with four accrued seasons or with seven accrued seasons

So no, Ryder's not a UFA. Anyway that deal doesn't make sense for both teams.

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The first trade is an overpayment from the Hab's perspective. No way Zhitnik is worth that package.

The 2nd deal makes no sense for Columbus as everything points to them going with Leclaire and Conklin this year so they don't really need Aebischer, especially not for one of their top young defencemen.

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The first trade is an overpayment from the Hab's perspective. No way Zhitnik is worth that package.

The 2nd deal makes no sense for Columbus as everything points to them going with Leclaire and Conklin this year so they don't really need Aebischer, especially not for one of their top young defencemen.
Leclaire and Norrena, you mean. Conklin's the backup in Syracuse.

From Columbus's point of veiw, never.

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