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“There is always room for a good player, regardless of their age,” said Carbonneau. “When I was just starting out, I stole someone’s job. Now it’s up to these kids to do the same and take someone’s spot. Once training camp starts, I want all of our young players to come in here believing that they are going to make the team.”

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He speaks the truth. Maybe Chipchura can take Radek Bonk's spot

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He speaks the truth. Maybe Chipchura can take Radek Bonk's spot
He could and at a fraction of the cost. Could and will are a few miles apart though.

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He could and at a fraction of the cost. Could and will are a few miles apart though.
I agree...and I don't think that Gainey and Carbo wants to rush Chipchura to the NHL...anyways, Bonk is with us for only one more year...

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fair to say that...

Grabo=Ribs spot
Chipchura= Bonk's spot
Kostytsin= Perezhogin, Johnson, Ryder
Latendresse=same
Coté=Streit, Bouillon, Dandenault
Emelin=same
O'byrne=same
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He's blowing sunshine up the prospects butts so they try their hardest. No way they supplant a veteran at this point, not unless that guy can be moved. Bonk does not fall into that category, he is ours til next summer when he walks as an UFA.

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08-06-2006, 09:33 PM
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The only players I could see in danger are Ribeiro and Ryder.. But the kids will have to have a hell of camp to take their spot straight from the training camp.. I see only one kid make the team to start the season, most probably between Kostitsyn and Latendresse (considering Ryder and Koivu are healthy of course), he will have to make better than guys like Ryder, Higgins Perezhogin to become a regular cause the other spots are locked IMO.. The most likely to lose his spot is Ryder IMO, I think it will be Perezhogin's blossoming year while Higgins brings too much to the table.. Ryder can score goals but will have to be way more solid all around this year cause we will have some serious skills in the line-up..

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08-06-2006, 09:43 PM
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The only players I could see in danger are Ribeiro and Ryder.. But the kids will have to have a hell of camp to take their spot straight from the training camp.. I see only one kid make the team to start the season, most probably between Kostitsyn and Latendresse (considering Ryder and Koivu are healthy of course), he will have to make better than guys like Ryder, Higgins Perezhogin to become a regular cause the other spots are locked IMO.. The most likely to lose his spot is Ryder IMO, I think it will be Perezhogin's blossoming year while Higgins brings too much to the table.. Ryder can score goals but will have to be way more solid all around this year cause we will have some serious skills in the line-up..
... why would Ryder be in trouble? He was our leading scorer, despite playing hurt last year.

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The only players I could see in danger are Ribeiro and Ryder.. But the kids will have to have a hell of camp to take their spot straight from the training camp.. I see only one kid make the team to start the season, most probably between Kostitsyn and Latendresse (considering Ryder and Koivu are healthy of course), he will have to make better than guys like Ryder, Higgins Perezhogin to become a regular cause the other spots are locked IMO.. The most likely to lose his spot is Ryder IMO, I think it will be Perezhogin's blossoming year while Higgins brings too much to the table.. Ryder can score goals but will have to be way more solid all around this year cause we will have some serious skills in the line-up..
How can Ryder be in danger. He just came off a 30 goal season and a 25 goal season before that. No way is he in danger. The only players that are in danger are MUrray, Perezhogin, RIbeiro (somewhat) and Downey.

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Coaches say this sort of thing every year... it's nothing new.

That said, I wouldn't be suprised if a few guys get a cup of coffee with the team, especially if injuries pop up.

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... why would Ryder be in trouble? He was our leading scorer, despite playing hurt last year.
Perreault has already been our best scorer, it doesnt change the fact he was one of our worst player 5 on 5.. Dagenais had averaged 2 years ago an impressive % of goals per game..

Ryder has some holes in his game, I think most will agree here, he will have to improve in some areas cause he could be in trouble, especially if Perezhogin blossom like I highly expect.. Im not saying Ryder is as mediocre as the 2 named above, he brings way more to the table but still has some evident flaws in his game that hurt the whole line he plays on at time..

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How can Ryder be in danger. He just came off a 30 goal season and a 25 goal season before that. No way is he in danger. The only players that are in danger are MUrray, Perezhogin, RIbeiro (somewhat) and Downey.
He played on the first line with a ton of PP time.. Alot of garbage goals, a bit like Perreault used to score all his carreer long. Still, Ryder is a better hockey player but will have to work hard on his weakness, a kid like Kostitsyn could put him in trouble sooner than most would expect.

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Perreault has already been our best scorer, it doesnt change the fact he was one of our worst player 5 on 5.. Dagenais had averaged 2 years ago an impressive % of goals per game..

Ryder has some holes in his game, I think most will agree here, he will have to improve in some areas cause he could be in trouble, especially if Perezhogin blossom like I highly expect.. Im not saying Ryder is as mediocre as the 2 named above, he brings way more to the table but still has some evident flaws in his game that hurt the whole line he plays on at time..
Perrault was also over 30 and his career was going on the down. Ryder's job isn't even slighjtly in danger IMO. He is young, has a lot of talent and untapped potential in him.

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Perrault might be just as guilty of garbage goals as Ryder, but Ryder also brings a physical game, and he can really force himself into the play. Perrault just floated around.

Are we forgetting who ruined Havlat's season?

And I'm getting tired of people railing against Ryder because he was priveledged to be on the PP. He's an awesome goal scorer, why WOULDNT he be on the PP? He still outscored most the rest of the team even strength. Even if it were true that he's nothing but a powerplay specialist, the Habs have shown what it looks like when they have none.

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The only players I could see in danger are Ribeiro and Ryder.. But the kids will have to have a hell of camp to take their spot straight from the training camp.. I see only one kid make the team to start the season, most probably between Kostitsyn and Latendresse (considering Ryder and Koivu are healthy of course), he will have to make better than guys like Ryder, Higgins Perezhogin to become a regular cause the other spots are locked IMO.. The most likely to lose his spot is Ryder IMO, I think it will be Perezhogin's blossoming year while Higgins brings too much to the table.. Ryder can score goals but will have to be way more solid all around this year cause we will have some serious skills in the line-up..
I second this statement like I wrote in previous treads. Despite scoring all his powerplay goals, Ryder isn't a complete player; despite being a tremendous playmaker, Ribeiro isn't a complete player.

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So people who are saying Ryder is on the bubble because he is not a complete player, are you saying that Latendresse is? Who among the rookies is more complete? No way Ryder loses his spot. Anyhow this is an old quote from over a month ago.

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Let's remember that if you treat your veteran players like crap you will lower team moral, and no free agent in their right mind will want to ever play here, so let's not get to crazy about all the 'rookies taking veterans job' stuff.

Granted if one of the vets plays like crap, I'm sure management will take the appropriate action, but a sub-par training camp isn't the end of the line for most veteran players.

What Carbo is saying is he wants the rookies coming in with a fire under their ***. If they don't, they will guarentee themselves NOT to make the team.

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I think it is fair to say that Zednik lost his job in the org chart to Higgins.

Once Higgins started putting them in like crazy... it was pretty much as "hum... who do we play on the second line Bulis or Zednik".... and the final answer was "None of the above, let's go with Samsonov"

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Perreault has already been our best scorer, it doesnt change the fact he was one of our worst player 5 on 5.. Dagenais had averaged 2 years ago an impressive % of goals per game..

Ryder has some holes in his game, I think most will agree here, he will have to improve in some areas cause he could be in trouble, especially if Perezhogin blossom like I highly expect.. Im not saying Ryder is as mediocre as the 2 named above, he brings way more to the table but still has some evident flaws in his game that hurt the whole line he plays on at time..
He had a herniated disc!

Why do so many posters fail to take all accounts in to consideration.
A healthy Ryder is a better Ryder than you saw last year. He is a very hard worker, which wasnt as apparent at the tail end of last year, cause the guys Disc was messed up!

Where else are we going to find 30 goal scorers (with herniated discs nonetheless)
If and when healthy, I will state it... Ryder is our premiere threat to pop 40... esp. with hardworking linemates like Higgins and Koivu...

People fail to realize he has one of the purest shots on the team

No way does Ryder lose his spot...
and herès another shocker for some... Neither does Radek Bonk!!!!
Bonk had a groin injury (which are bothersome because they are consistently re-aggravated without rest...)

For those who dont know what these injuries are about...
Imagine if you will, a pain in the 'V' part of the pelvic region, that hinders sudden jerky movements (like that of skating quickly). EVERY STRIDE WOULD BE PAINFUL.

As for a herniated disc... heck, I dont think too many want to imagine the pain there.. but, a herniated disc is essentially inflammed cartiledge, in between the spinal cord, that pops in and out of position with EXTREME PAIN. Therefore, turning the wrong way wouldve been very painful for Ryder last year...

Both needed rest, and got it this offseason... So long as both are healthy... IMO both will improve on their numbers by country miles IMO.

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He had a herniated disc!

Why do so many posters fail to take all accounts in to consideration.
A healthy Ryder is a better Ryder than you saw last year. He is a very hard worker, which wasnt as apparent at the tail end of last year, cause the guys Disc was messed up!

Where else are we going to find 30 goal scorers (with herniated discs nonetheless)
If and when healthy, I will state it... Ryder is our premiere threat to pop 40... esp. with hardworking linemates like Higgins and Koivu...

People fail to realize he has one of the purest shots on the team

No way does Ryder lose his spot...
and herès another shocker for some... Neither does Radek Bonk!!!!
Bonk had a groin injury (which are bothersome because they are consistently re-aggravated without rest...)

For those who dont know what these injuries are about...
Imagine if you will, a pain in the 'V' part of the pelvic region, that hinders sudden jerky movements (like that of skating quickly). EVERY STRIDE WOULD BE PAINFUL.

As for a herniated disc... heck, I dont think too many want to imagine the pain there.. but, a herniated disc is essentially inflammed cartiledge, in between the spinal cord, that pops in and out of position with EXTREME PAIN. Therefore, turning the wrong way wouldve been very painful for Ryder last year...

Both needed rest, and got it this offseason... So long as both are healthy... IMO both will improve on their numbers by country miles IMO.
I know about his injury and this is certainly something we have to considere before writing him off.. But you know, Ryder has never been the most complete player, all his flaws were pretty noticable in the AHL as well... I want a healthy Ryder to really know what he can bring to the table, I want him focussed to improve on his weakness, I want he makes his line dangerous offensively with more consistency instead losing the puck too easily like he was doing last season, I want him more involved in the play and create scoring chances for himself and his linemates instead falling asleep at time floating around... If you think a confident Kostitsyn cant score over 30 goals on the first line playing with Koivu you are gonna be surprised... Perezhogin isnt a pure goals scorer but Im pretty sure he could easily reach 25 goals on the first line (if the confidence is quite there of course). making the line way more overall dangerous and toughest to play against.


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I know about his injury and this is certainly something we have to considere before writing him off.. But you know, Ryder has never been the most complete player, all his flaws were pretty noticable in the AHL as well... I want a healthy Ryder to really know what he can bring to the table, I want him focussed to improve on his weakness, I want he makes his line dangerous offensively with more consistency instead losing the puck too easily like he was doing last season, I want him more involved in the play and create scoring chances for himself and his linemates instead falling asleep at time floating around... If you think a confident Kostitsyn cant score over 30 goals on the first line playing with Koivu you are gonna be surprised... Perezhogin isnt a pure goals scorer but Im pretty sure he could easily reach 25 goals on the first line (if the confidence is quite there of course). making the line way more overall dangerous and toughest to play against.
Ahh but Kostitsyn will have to prove he is the better option over Ryder... and IMO things such as this wont happen just that quick... Remember Audette? How many chances he was given to get back in our line up (quite some time) he stunk, but still managed to play a huge majority of games before Ryder took it out from him, because he flat out played better. Kostitsyn must first prove hes able to crack the roster... then bide his time by being a spark for the team... Eventually hell get his chance if Ryder slags, underperforms, or is flat out outproduced 1-1 on a full consistent basis... It's the torch method, and it works for us

I fully believe Kosty will win his role sometime this seaosn... I dont know for sure if its Ryders spot thatll be lost however.

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