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Kings Prospect #4

View Poll Results: Best Prospect
G Jonathan Bernier 33 55.00%
C Brian Boyle 20 33.33%
D Richard Petiot 3 5.00%
C Trevor Lewis 2 3.33%
RW Konstantin Pushkarev 2 3.33%
D Patrik Hersley 0 0%
RW Petr Kanko 0 0%
D T.J. Fast 0 0%
D Joe Ryan 0 0%
LW Scott Parse 0 0%
G Jonathan Quick 0 0%
D Paul Baier 0 0%
G Barry Brust 0 0%
D Peter Harrold 0 0%
G Jeff Zatkoff 0 0%
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08-14-2006, 12:12 AM
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Kings Prospect #4

Ok reminder to everybody participating, please write in who you think should be added to the list. Ty. Zatkoff will get in this time, because i will use the HF rankings as a tiebreaker this time, as Braun and Andersen were unranked.

1. C Anze Kopitar - Drafted Round 1, #11 Overall in 2005 (46.03%)
2. LW Patrick O'Sullivan - Drafted Round 2, #56 Overall in 03 (91.49%)
3. RW Lauri Tukonen - Drafted Round 1, #11 Overall in 04 (40.43%)

Voted Bernier, add Andersen

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Bernier, i like how fast this kid moves from post to post

and i agree that Braun should be added on

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Again I went with Bernier (with Lewis a close 2nd)....add Braun.

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This is an outrage!

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Wow, is Boyle getting absolutely no love here or what?

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Wow, is Boyle getting absolutely no love here or what?
Boyle stinks!.....just kidding.....I just think that he does not have the overall potential that these other guys have. Just my opinion.

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Boyle stinks!.....just kidding.....I just think that he does not have the overall potential that these other guys have. Just my opinion.
You are entitled to be wrong.

The dude is 6'7" and a Hobey Baker candidate for pete's sake.

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Isn't Petiot the closet to making the team, doesnt that put him ahead of Boyle?

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Aren't the prospects already ranked?

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Isn't Petiot the closet to making the team, doesnt that put him ahead of Boyle?
It would if the poll was about the most NHL ready prospects

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Boyle stinks!.....just kidding.....I just think that he does not have the overall potential that these other guys have. Just my opinion.
And you're certainly entitled to that. I just think some people are forgetting that he's a 6'7 center who is versatile enough to play defense, and has done nothing but improve every year since he was drafted.

I think Boyle has the highest overall potential out of all the prospects. He's just the one least likely to reach it.

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It would if the poll was about the most NHL ready prospects
I'm pretty sure the whole point of being a prospect is making it to the NHL. So if one player is NHL ready, that should out edge someone who is not.



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I think Boyle has the highest overall potential out of all the prospects. He's just the one least likely to reach it.
So if he hasnt reached his potential and may never, how does that make him a better prospect than someone who will probably play in the NHL this year?

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I'm pretty sure the whole point of being a prospect is making it to the NHL. So if one player is NHL ready, that should out edge someone who is not.
So Corvo would be more valuable right now than, say, Jack Johnson, simply because Corvo is ready and playing in the NHL right now and Johnson isn't NHL ready yet?



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So if he hasnt reached his potential and may never, how does that make him a better prospect than someone who will probably play in the NHL this year?
Because the gauging of prospects isn't based upon who is the best player right now. It's about who will be a better player for the team long-term. Even IF Boyle never reaches his full potential, I think he will do more, either as a forward or as a defenseman long term, than Richard Petiot. And this isn't to say that Petiot's a bad player or prospect, I'm just very high on Boyle.

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So Corvo would be more valuable right now than, say, Jack Johnson, simply because Corvo is ready and playing in the NHL right now and Johnson isn't NHL ready yet?

That's just lame.

Are you still considering Corvo a prospect because this is a discussion of prospects and who will make an impact in the NHL.

Or should I just say, "So Chris Pronger would be more valuable right now than say, Jack Johnson, simply because Pronger is ready and playing in the NHL right now and Johnson isnt NHL ready yet?"

To that I would have to say "F***en eh right."



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Because the gauging of prospects isn't based upon who is the best player right now. It's about who will be a better player for the team long-term. Even IF Boyle never reaches his full potential, I think he will do more, either as a forward or as a defenseman long term, than Richard Petiot. And this isn't to say that Petiot's a bad player or prospect, I'm just very high on Boyle.
Boyle will be a better defensemen than Petiot? You are high.......on Boyle.

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Aren't the prospects already ranked?
This is just for fun, to see how the fans rank the prospects, not just HF.

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Wow, is Boyle getting absolutely no love here or what?
Personnally i love Boyle, and i simply savour at the thought that he is the Kings 5th best prospect imo.

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Isn't Petiot the closet to making the team, doesnt that put him ahead of Boyle?
Petiot is also likely closer than Kopitar, does that make him a better prospect?

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That's just lame.

Are you still considering Corvo a prospect because this is a discussion of prospects and who will make an impact in the NHL.
You're arguing the bad example while ignoring the point that he was making. Substitute for Corvo any defenseman with #5/6/7 potential who hasn't seen any or much NHL. Is Petiot a better prospect than Erik Johnson because he's closer to being an NHLer? That's what KP was getting at.

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You're arguing the bad example while ignoring the point that he was making. Substitute for Corvo any defenseman with #5/6/7 potential who hasn't seen any or much NHL. Is Petiot a better prospect than Erik Johnson because he's closer to being an NHLer? That's what KP was getting at.
Exactly. Forgive the bad example, but NHL readiness doesn't equate being a better overall player. Your example was much better.

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Boyle will be a better defensemen than Petiot? You are high.......on Boyle.
I admit I'm very high on him. It's no knock on Petiot, but Boyle has already shown he can be a great penalty killing defenseman, and he has a much better shot where he could play it on the powerplay. His versatility along with his size makes him a very exciting NHL prospect. I'm honestly stunned he's fallen down to #5.

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Isn't Petiot the closet to making the team, doesnt that put him ahead of Boyle?
I think you rank players based on current trade value. In other words, if you would not trade player A for player B, then you rank A ahead of B.

Petiot is not even in Boyle's universe. Boyle has the potential to be a dominant NHL player and Petiot does not. Petiot at best is a top 4 defensive defenseman, and I don't see him being more than a 5-6. Boyle could be the next Pronger if he switches to D, or he could be a dominant #1 center. That's his upside, which is far from guaranteed. But he should at least be a #3 center or defenseman as good as Petiot likely will be.

Putting Petiot in the top echelon of Kings prospects is a joke in my humble opinion. He's a nice prospect, but he's just a depth guy, not someone who really will make a difference for the team.

I would not rank Boyle ahead of Kopitar or O'Sullivan, but you could make a legitimate argument for doing so.

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