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11-13-2003, 11:47 PM
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Is this attendance thing overblown...

I guess if it were my team and money I wouldn't be at all happy with the attendence, but you have to consider if this is reality when it comes to hockey on Long Island in November.

We must also consider these factors when looking at the 2003 attendence figures:

1) A disappointing ending to the 2002 season.
2) An unpopular coaching move with the fans (which should change considering the early success this season)
3) An unpopular increase in season and individual ticket prices.
4) A potential lockout in 2004-5.
5) A Yankees World Series run late into October in 2003
6) 2002 Attendence follows an inspiring first season after the rebirth of the franchise.

It should be noted that 2001 attendence was much better than last season and the previous year because the Islanders basically rebuilt the organization adding A. Yashin and M. Peca and got their season off to the franchises best start in over a decade.

Here is a comparison of attendence figures thus far :

2003
GAME # DOW OPP 2003 ATTENDENCE
1 Sat Fla 16,295
2 Mon Tor 11,544
3 Sat Pitt 11,746
4 Tue NJ 12,274
5 Sat Ana 10,782
6 Mon Ott 10,957
7 Thur Dal 11,268
8 Sat Atl 14,783
9 Thur Mon 12,478

2003 Avg 12,459

10 Wed Car 12,000 Projected
11 Sat Phila 16,295 Projected
12 Tue Wash 12,000 Projected


Projected Avg 12,826
(12 Games)


2002
GAME # DOW OPP 2002 ATTENDENCE
1 Sat Wash 16,234
2 Tue Nash 12,279
3 Tue Car 13,514
4 Thur Fla 12,234
5 Sat Phila 16,234
6 Tue Phx 12,277
7 Sat St. Lou 14,496
8 Mon Calg 12,316
9 Fri Edm 14,093

2002 Avg 13,742

10 Sun Dallas 14,378
11 Tue Ott 12,659
12 Wed Ott 14,887

2002 Avg 13,800
(12 Games)


That puts us at approx 1,300 fans per game behind. I projected the next 3 home games to get us to early December and that number declines to about 1,000 per game. It should be noted that Islanders attendance increased dramatically in the month of December 2002.

What the recent player move(s) mean in my opinion is the following:

1) The Islanders discoverd in October and November that their younger players are further along than they anticipated.
2) Ownership is projecting that attendance is not far off from last year, and will pick up as winter approaches as it always does.
3) The Islanders ownership is attempting to seize an opportunity to save some money early. They are banking on the fact that the success of the team will continue and by seasons end with increased ticket prices and trimming some salary, there will be more money in the coffers.
4) Although there are no indications of this, my opinion is, money saved now could be used for a key trading deadline move to spark a playoff run. This ownership knows about the pressure and flexibility of being able to make a trading deadline move. Why complain if they are freeing up some salary now for possible use later in the season? Who has proof the Islanders are dumping salary in a pessimistic move as reported by the media? these guys are business men who know how to make money.
5) Why is everyone so negative. I agree that the jury is still out on if this Islander team can be special later in the season. With the emergence of Trent Hunter and other young players, the outstanding play of the 1st line and DiPietros early success, this team looks better on paper now than it did 2 months ago.

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I read this week that the NHL has the richest fans in American pro sports. The average yearly salary of a fan attending an NHL game is $73,000. I don't know that many people making that kind of money these days.

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I read this week that the NHL has the richest fans in American pro sports. The average yearly salary of a fan attending an NHL game is $73,000. I don't know that many people making that kind of money these days.
It's a valid point and Nassau/Suffolk/Metro New York averages to be the among the highest paid folks in the USA.

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The attandance problems are not just an Islander problem but with the ticket increase it's just more noticable here and it's a topic of discussion but as explained (above) it's not as bad as it's made out to be.

Anyone who goes to weeknight games at Msg or the Meadowlands see both buildlings half-filled and have the same problems, prices are too high. The Devils are the defending champs and the Rangers have a roster of all-stars, both teams are losing money and the fans cannot afford the seats.

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can some one remind me what the increase per ticket was this year...35%?

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2,000 seats a night at an avegage of 38$$ for 41 home games is 3.1 million Dollars in ticket sales alone.

Is the lack of attendance overblown, or the cause of the Isles recent move to shave a supposed 3 to 5 mill off the payroll?

Your guess is as good as mine.

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The Rangers arena may not be full, but they are selling out most games and if not selling out at least 17,500 tickets are sold. New Jersey has the worst fans, it has nothing to do with ticket prices.

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The Rangers arena may not be full, but they are selling out most games and if not selling out at least 17,500 tickets are sold. New Jersey has the worst fans, it has nothing to do with ticket prices.
That's because Madison Square Garden is full of corporate people that dont care enough about the games and dont go to most of them. So yeah, tickets are counted as sold, but less people are using the tickets

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That's because Madison Square Garden is full of corporate people that dont care enough about the games and dont go to most of them. So yeah, tickets are counted as sold, but less people are using the tickets

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I can only speak for my friends who have Ranger tickets or some who get them on occasion from work. They all say weeknights is not even close to a sellout and have not been for years. Even some of the weekend games are not sold out these days or do not look it from what they told me. I usually get invited but I'm holding out for the Isles at Msg.

Msg must have packages to sell those seats for all sports and events as one package too. Even the Isles have a section of seats that are not for sale at the Coliseum.

The article today in the Times on the Devils was just sad. How can a championship team struggle this badly at the gate with players like Brodeur and Stevens, who are worth the price of admission.

I'd like to see the television ratings for the three teams. When attendance is low usually the ratings are good.

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